Jesse Tischauser Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I have stayed at the Hard Rock a couple of times. It sucked. Caters to the young party crowd and they do not know how to close a room door at 3 AM or to keep their mouths shut walking down the halls to their rooms. Kept me up all night. Great place to party, pool area is great, but not a place to get a good nights sleep. Hmmmm, everybody knows I DO NOT like to party. However, I couldn't get any sleep in Ozark due to the raining rooms and I finished higher than I have ever finished so I should be set. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 I had a couple people ask me yesterday about scoring for the match. I verified with the Pres and RM that the match will be run using hit factor scoring with Major/Minor PF just like it always has been. Apparently a couple folks heard it was going to be Time Plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I understand that USPSA gets a kicker when people use the match hotel, but I don't like to deal with the hassle of going all the way into the strip when there are very nice places to stay much closer to the range. Thanks Chuck for clearing up the scoring for us. Looking forward to seeing the gang one more time before holding up in the reloading room for the long winter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braxton1 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 If I had my druthers, I'd stay at the Red Rocks Hotel and Casino. It is MAYBE 3 minutes from the range (Hwy 215 and Charleston). I don't know about prices, but it looked relatively new. It is a bit of a drive to The Strip from there, but if you're looking for convenience to the range, that looks like THE place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriera Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) Red Rock casino is kind of pricey ... Oakwood at Tuscany and La Quinta Summerlin are other options nearby. Red Rock is the closer one, that is per sure ... Anything on the Strip is a long way away from the Range, Sahara is under construction and the lights in Charleston can be a nightmare, plan accordingly. 15 North to 93/95 North to Summerlin Pkwy to 215 to Charleston will be a good way to get to the range from the hotel. Edited October 1, 2011 by jriera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 If I had my druthers, I'd stay at the Red Rocks Hotel and Casino. It is MAYBE 3 minutes from the range (Hwy 215 and Charleston). I don't know about prices, but it looked relatively new. It is a bit of a drive to The Strip from there, but if you're looking for convenience to the range, that looks like THE place. The Red Rock Casino is 2-400 per night. I've been checking it before each match hoping it would go down a bit because it would be a great place to stay. But for that amount of money, I'll drive a few extra minutes a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 On a scale of 1- 5 where would you rate the match hotel? 0 (Zero) It is one of the oldest, smokiest, and generally crappiest hotels on The Strip. Your comment is accurate, however, I'd rate it a 1 or a 2. The bed was comfortable and the sheets clean, and I got a view overlooking a scenic alley piled up with unused pool furniture. I've stayed at several hotels that were WAY worse than this, and reserve a 0 for those hotels that truly deserve it. The Imperial Palace is grubbier. It's a case of "thou gettuth what thou payuth for" - and the Riviera was not only cheap, but waived the borderline fraudulent "resort fee" that is common at LV hotels. It's not a great hotel if you are coming on a trip to go hang around the hotel but it's just fine if you are just looking for a place to sleep at night. If you want a really nice non-strip place without a casino atmosphere, check out the Desert Rose Inn. In my opinion, it's better to have a cheap match hotel and have people who want 3-5 star accommodations look for an alternative than the other way around. Besides, if we put the match staff up in a higher end hotel, it would have a distinct impact on the match fee. As to the breakins - this is not the first time the Enosverse has reported what appear to be targeted vehicular breeches associated with a match and, as long as people continue to leave guns unattended in cars, it will probably not be the last. If you absolutely MUST leave guns in your car, I suggest you get a plastic coated steel cable, crimp a loop at both ends, and use this to secure your guns. By threading the cable through the mag well and ejection port, and then through a hole in your gun case, you can secure the guns to some permanently attached part of the car (even under and around the seat with the guns on the floor behind the driver's seat under an old blanket will do) thus assuring that anyone who breaks into your car has to either bring cutting tools or be able to pick your lock (unlikely as long as you don't use a junky lock with a warded mechanism). I also use this technique to secure my guns to my suitcase so pilfering my stuff becomes an "all or nothing" proposition and some baggage handler can't just walk off with my guns tucked inside his coat. Nevada also honors carry permits from a fair number of states, so for the handgun matches, many of you will be able to not only take your guns with you at future pistol matches, but pack a carry weapon as well (see http://nvrepository.state.nv.us/ccw_changes.shtml) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Elements by Westin is just down the road and is super nice. The price is fair, and it is quiet, no bar or gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbmd Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I had a couple people ask me yesterday about scoring for the match. I verified with the Pres and RM that the match will be run using hit factor scoring with Major/Minor PF just like it always has been. Apparently a couple folks heard it was going to be Time Plus. Chuck, I am a life member of USPSA. USPSA is once again going to watch the tailights of the 3 gun vehicle drive off and they missed the ride. Honestly how hard it is to make this like any other 3 gun in the US with NO major/minor scoring? Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I personally like to aim once in awhile. I'd like to leave the Nationals one of those matches where you have to aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbmd Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Aiming is not the arguement. To hit the target you have to aim regardless. The point is you must change to another gun to shoot major in the pistol and rifle. Daniel will show up with a wildcat round to make major and maintain the capacity. Look at the past overall tactical optics spread between first and second when Daniel shoots major handgun and rifle while the second place shoots major handgun and minor rifle. Just don't see the logic here to do a different scoring system than all the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trail3 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I agree with Religious Shooter, I too like to aim once in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Aiming is not the arguement. To hit the target you have to aim regardless. The point is you must change to another gun to shoot major in the pistol and rifle. Daniel will show up with a wildcat round to make major and maintain the capacity. Look at the past overall tactical optics spread between first and second when Daniel shoots major handgun and rifle while the second place shoots major handgun and minor rifle. Just don't see the logic here to do a different scoring system than all the others. Well Taran has been shooting in Open at the Nationals. I guess he wants an Open victory alongside his Tactical and Limited titles. Other than Taran... NOBODY can beat Sgt Horner. If Taran had actually shot Tactical he would have been pretty close or even beaten (see this year's SMM3G) Sgt Horner. And if Major rifle is such a factor, why aren't the Open shooters using it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 And if Major rifle is such a factor, why aren't the Open shooters using it? Open Division has nothing to do with it.....not many shooters can justify the expense and time it takes to get a wildcat major gun up and running for a single match. The AMU has that advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 You shot that match last year. Take a look again at the stages: http://www.nroi.org/nationals/downloads/USPSA2010MultiGunFinalWeb.pdf And the results for Tactical: http://www.uspsa.org/legacy/match_index.php?year=2010&match=2010_USPSA_Multigun_Nationals Can you honestly say that the large gap in 1st in 2nd was mostly because Horner was shooting Major rifle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 [Open Division has nothing to do with it.....not many shooters can justify the expense and time it takes to get a wildcat major gun up and running for a single match. The AMU has that advantage. I would agree that normal shooters wouldn't may not be able to. Put professional/sponsored shooters? And even dedicated shooters? I'm not rich. But if I really thought that Major rifle was such a big deal I'd get the stuff together for USPSA matches. Given that the folks behind the 300 BLK has put a $10K bounty on the Nationals title. I'm sure you will see a lot of the pro/sponsored shooters switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'm just not sure what the big deal about running the provisional Time-Plus would be. SO much easier to score. Accuracy is about stage design as much, if not more than Major/Minor. 4" plates at 25+ yards, I remember shooting those at several matches this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I remember the brouhaha when shotgun was minor and major. Long as power factor exists, uspsa will never use time plus at a nationals. Heck-lets goback to true 3 gun and have separate winners by gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 Larry, are you really using the argument that we should do something because every other 3 Gun match does? If so can I bring my SureFire 60 round mag to your match, since it's legal at every other 3 Gun match? I'm not a fan of Hit Factor scoring. But using the argument that we should swap because it requires 3 Gunners to bring a .40 cal gun doesn't really sway me when the alternative is to tell all the USPSA shooters they need to bring a 9mm when they all shoot .40 cal guns during the regular season. As far as the argument that Horner won because he shot a major rifle. I'd be surprised if he gained a percent or two using it. It was probably either a wash or to his detriment to use it. He wins every other IMGA match by the same or larger margin. Do you really think he gained much using a Major rifle? As far as using Time Plus...NFW. We're using it for the Area 1 MG this weekend. I'm not impressed. There are an awful lot of things IMGA has built in that USPSA doesn't, bonus targets and the ability to have different value stages being two huge ones. I would like to see the bugs fixed and it's in the process. I don't want to see USPSA eliminate HF scoring, but I would like to see Time Plus a little more sorted out and maybe add the option of Horner scoring. But this is getting well off course from a discussion about the MG Nats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbmd Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Chuck....I knew you couldn't stay away from the comment about the mags. I am the match director so I will take the hit for it but I was not the only one involved with the decision. If it makes a difference I am shooting Tac Optics at the 2011 FNH USA match so I will play in the same division that the new equipment rule is being TESTED in. Back on the topic, yes I will still stand by my comment that they will miss the bus, but I ask this question, why does every major three gun sell out almost immediately but the USPSA nationals. You can send your match application with payment a week prior to the event and still get it....does that not say something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Aiming is not the arguement. To hit the target you have to aim regardless. The point is you must change to another gun to shoot major in the pistol and rifle. Daniel will show up with a wildcat round to make major and maintain the capacity. Look at the past overall tactical optics spread between first and second when Daniel shoots major handgun and rifle while the second place shoots major handgun and minor rifle. Just don't see the logic here to do a different scoring system than all the others. I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Larry. Myself and several other top 20 shooters have been discussing the advantage of shooting irons at this match to stay away from that AMU round not because Daniel and Tyler wouldn't beat us handily like they always do but because at best I could finish 7th or 8th. At that position I would only acquire about 80 points in the 3 gun nation points series whereas I could go let Kurt and James beat me up in irons with similar guns and get 90-95 points, hopefully. Edited October 2, 2011 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esskay Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Can anyone advise -- are the range and bays accessible easily via regular passenger cars or are SUV/truck/high clearance vehicles recommended? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I used my sedan last year. I didn't scrape or hit anything. But it would be better if you brought a higher clearance vehicle --- 7"+. I wouldn't bring a BMW M car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 We rented a mini van. I guess we better get the walk away insurance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 SO much easier to score. There are valid arguments on both sides, but this one is just plain silly. Matches, especially big ones, are scored by entering all hits and times onto a scoresheet and then into a computer - not calculating by hand or with a calculator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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