johes Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) Could any one tell me the weight of a 9mm Trojan with a magwell and steel mainspring housing and with the full length guide rod left in? Thanks Joe Edited November 6, 2010 by johes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Alexander Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) Mine weighs 42.5oz Larry Edited November 6, 2010 by Larry Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah1356 Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Mine weighs slightly more. Differences from the pic are: Ambi safety Dawson no gap magwell (steel msh) SVI long flat trigger lots of grip tape Wilson mags with homebrew basepads 42.9oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johes Posted November 6, 2010 Author Share Posted November 6, 2010 Larry, was your weight with an empty mag? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Alexander Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) Empty mag Edited November 6, 2010 by Larry Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helimech Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) Larry, Nice looking gun. Where did you find those grips? I love the look of them. Also mine (STI Trojan) weighs 42.5 ozs with Ed Brown mag well, EGW titanium FLGR, a STI ambi safety and an empty Wilson ETM mag. Jim Edited November 6, 2010 by Helimech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johes Posted November 6, 2010 Author Share Posted November 6, 2010 Thanks for the replies. Looks like I'll be good to go for ESP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak hill Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 It is pretty close to the limit, mine was a couple tenths more so to avoid any potential issues I went with a Techwell instead of the steel main magwell. Now it is just under 41 oz. giving me a little to spare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Alexander Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Larry, Nice looking gun. Where did you find those grips? I love the look of them. Also mine (STI Trojan) weighs 42.5 ozs with Ed Brown mag well, EGW titanium FLGR, a STI ambi safety and an empty Wilson ETM mag. Jim Got them from Larry Davidson, he makes Monkey Grips Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 We had a 70 year old lady that they wouldn't let shoot her Trojan at this years state IDPA match because it was over weight. I don't know exactly what she was running for grips or, a magwell, but, I know the magwell was steel, and it wasn't big. She ended up shooting her daughter's Trojan that only has a single-sided safety, and some kind of plastic magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johes Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share Posted November 7, 2010 (edited) If a stock 9mm with no "race" parts won't make weight in ESP, maybe HQ should look at adding an extra ounce to ESP like they did in CDP. Full length guide rods(steel), steel magwells, and G10 or aluminum grips are not "race" parts and shouldn't need to be removed to make weight. Not rule bashing, just a suggestion. Joe Edited November 8, 2010 by johes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The problem with 9mms making weight is the fact that they have more metal in the barrels, smaller hole equals more metal to take up space. Its not hard to make them make weight and still have good race parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johes Posted November 8, 2010 Author Share Posted November 8, 2010 I understand that. I just wish we had just a little bit more cushion so we didn't have to "make" a basically stock gun make weight. Not a big deal. Based on the weights you guys gave me, I should be okay. I may remove the FLGR if mine's close and put the VZ grips on a 45. Joe A23563 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I understand that. I just wish we had just a little bit more cushion so we didn't have to "make" a basically stock gun make weight. Not a big deal. Based on the weights you guys gave me, I should be okay. I may remove the FLGR if mine's close and put the VZ grips on a 45. Joe A23563 You can still make weight with a FLGR and G-10 grips. Us a aluminum FLGR from Briley. Another big savings is to use the Techwell system with G10 grips and a plastic MSH. That save quite a bit right there. Most stock guns that don't come with a magwell and wood grips I would think would make weight as they are. Its when we add heavy grips and magwells, mags with basepads, that pushes them over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck1 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) If a stock 9mm with no "race" parts won't make weight in ESP, maybe HQ should look at adding an extra ounce to ESP like they did in CDP. Full length guide rods(steel), steel magwells, and G10 or aluminum grips are not "race" parts and shouldn't need to be removed to make weight. Not rule bashing, just a suggestion. Joe +100. I'm not a fan of any of the rules that have us changing stock guns in order to make weight. It sucks that asking for "rule improvement" always gets taken as "rule bashing". Edited November 8, 2010 by ck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsupglock Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If a stock 9mm with no "race" parts won't make weight in ESP, maybe HQ should look at adding an extra ounce to ESP like they did in CDP. Full length guide rods(steel), steel magwells, and G10 or aluminum grips are not "race" parts and shouldn't need to be removed to make weight. Not rule bashing, just a suggestion. Joe I'd back you up on this 100%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsupglock Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Big problem. I just weighed my 9mm Trojan. 43.3 ounces with empty Tripp Cobra mag and S&A magwell. Magwell has to go. Bummer. Now what? I ordered the Wilson Combat Speed Chute slip on thingy. I'll see if I can fit it to my satisfaction. If It works I'll be golden, but if it doesn't, I'm going to have to find a lighter mainspring housing/magwell combination. I'd also like to add, I have a check weight which measaured properly on two digital scales, so I'm pretty sure the scale isn't to blame. Edited February 7, 2011 by whatsupglock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehorn Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Big problem. I just weighed my 9mm Trojan. 43.3 ounces with empty Tripp Cobra mag and S&A magwell. Magwell has to go. Bummer. Now what? I ordered the Wilson Combat Speed Chute slip on thingy. I'll see if I can fit it to my satisfaction. If It works I'll be golden, but if it doesn't, I'm going to have to find a lighter mainspring housing/magwell combination. I'd also like to add, I have a check weight which measaured properly on two digital scales, so I'm pretty sure the scale isn't to blame. Smith and Alexander also makes an aluminum magwell/MSH it weighs just 0.7 oz. That's anywhere from 1.3-2.0 oz less than a steel msh/magwell set up. The aluminum does not hold up near as well as a steel msh/magwell, but I've been using one every weekend for the past year, and had no problems. If it continues to hold up as it has it will easily last me through this year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck1 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Big problem. I just weighed my 9mm Trojan. 43.3 ounces with empty Tripp Cobra mag and S&A magwell. Magwell has to go. Bummer. Now what? I ordered the Wilson Combat Speed Chute slip on thingy. I'll see if I can fit it to my satisfaction. If It works I'll be golden, but if it doesn't, I'm going to have to find a lighter mainspring housing/magwell combination. I'd also like to add, I have a check weight which measaured properly on two digital scales, so I'm pretty sure the scale isn't to blame. FWIW, mine makes it (just barely) at 42.9ozs with the slimline S&A magwell and thin smooth Alumagrips covered in skateboard tape, FLGR in. The opening on the slim S&A is the same as the standard one, so if that's your preference it is a little lighter and will still look ok with standard grips, also, S&A makes aluminum versions of their magwells which are a lot lighter that you can get if you order from them. If none of those options work, Shooters Connection's deal with the Enos discount on a Techwell set-up is the best I've seen and you'll be a couple ounces under easy if you go that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmspdi Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I had to remove the FLGR from my factory stock Springfield TRP in order to make weight with Wilson ETM 8 round mags. When I added Monkey Grips, a Wilson magwell, checkered front strap and 10 round Wilson ETM mags to my RIA 9mm Tactical I had to lose the FLGR because I was 1 oz over weight with the changes. The G10 grips and Wilson magwell and mags were worth the minimal expense of switching to a GI style recoil spring setup. I am not a big fan of full length rods anyway. I agree the weight rule should be waived for fully stock production guns if they are on the approved list. BTW - I checked the weight of each gun with a calibrated scale to insure accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak hill Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Mine weighs 41.2 oz with Techwell and G10 grips, Metalform mag with bumper, full lenght guide rod and all the stock parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor_R Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 You can take 1oz off if you just take material off the back of your grips. This is a VZ G10 Diamond Back Grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsupglock Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I swapped my S&A magwell for the polymer ms housing and put a wilson combat slip on jobby on. Works great and only weighs 0.8 ounces. Gun now weighs in at 41.4 ounces with empty mag. More than enough room to spare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Mine weighs 41.2 oz with Techwell and G10 grips, Metalform mag with bumper, full lenght guide rod and all the stock parts. Is this with the SP, XT, Carry, or the TGO Techwell (and on a Trojan 9mm)? And, do you mean the Techwell/Mil-Tac G10's they offer for them, or did you just mod some other one's? Going to be changing out my slim grips and slim S&A for standard grip/magwell and this seems to be the best way to go, trying to decide which model to go with... TIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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