stevenorlando Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Hello All! My reloading manual lists 38 super loads, but they are not sufficient for USPSA major category. What are some sample loads for 38 super in major? powder, bullet, etc.? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezco Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 There are volumes of data on this in the reloading portion of this site, but my 38 SC load is 10.1g 3N38 with WSR primers and Montana Gold 121 IFP out to 1.240 OAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Volumes of loads on the site. Hear are a couple of my loads. Which one is best for you depends on the comp you have etc. AA#7 10.5gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP set 1.240 N350 8.0gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.3gr TruBlue w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.5gr Silhouette w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 7.3gr IMR7625 W/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 7.8gr 3N37 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.8gr HS6 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 10gr N105 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 I've also used IMR4756, AutoComp but don't recall the loads. I have not tried LongShot, HS7, or 3N38, yet. I have always wanted to try Blue Dot it smells so good. Looking at the first port wall in the comp if it is leaning forward go for the powder with more grains to make the load aka more gas if the wall is perpendicular to the path of the bullet then you can use a faster powder. Poppel holes can negate logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 I normally use Blue Dot but I don't recall my load right now. I will check it when I get home. Have you checked Jeff Maass' page of reloading data? He has tons of IPSC loads on there, here it is: http://www.k8nd.com/documents/hl38sup.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Volumes of loads on the site. Hear are a couple of my loads. Which one is best for you depends on the comp you have etc. AA#7 10.5gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP set 1.240 N350 8.0gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.3gr TruBlue w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.5gr Silhouette w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 7.3gr IMR7625 W/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 7.8gr 3N37 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.8gr HS6 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 10gr N105 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 I've also used IMR4756, AutoComp but don't recall the loads. I have not tried LongShot, HS7, or 3N38, yet. I have always wanted to try Blue Dot it smells so good. Looking at the first port wall in the comp if it is leaning forward go for the powder with more grains to make the load aka more gas if the wall is perpendicular to the path of the bullet then you can use a faster powder. Poppel holes can negate logic. Hey Coco, Nice loads! Out of all of these, what is your favorite and why? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) This is a bit older data, but it's still good: http://www.k8nd.com/documents/hl38sup.pdf Edit to add: Most folks are probably running a 125gr Zero or Montana Gold. 115 and 121gr bullets almost certainly make up the bulk of the rest (mostly the same two companies). Yes, there are folks running heavier bullets, but it's not common. As far as powder goes, 7625 is about the fastest you'll see used and N105 is about the slowest. There are a lot of powders in between that work well. Do a search and you'll find more reading than you can imagine. Also, I have no idea in the world where Coco came up with the idea of the first port wall being angled, and which powder it will work better with, but it's completely untrue in my experience with a bunch of different gun/comp combinations. I have four Open guns now, they all have vertical first port walls and they all shot softer and faster with slower powders. I've also tried my ammo in a number of other guns to compare with what the owners were using, and it's held true so far...angled, vertical, no holes, popple holes, hybrid holes...same thing. Edited July 15, 2010 by G-ManBart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Volumes of loads on the site. Hear are a couple of my loads. Which one is best for you depends on the comp you have etc. AA#7 10.5gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP set 1.240 N350 8.0gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.3gr TruBlue w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.5gr Silhouette w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 7.3gr IMR7625 W/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 7.8gr 3N37 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 8.8gr HS6 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 10gr N105 w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 I've also used IMR4756, AutoComp but don't recall the loads. I have not tried LongShot, HS7, or 3N38, yet. I have always wanted to try Blue Dot it smells so good. Looking at the first port wall in the comp if it is leaning forward go for the powder with more grains to make the load aka more gas if the wall is perpendicular to the path of the bullet then you can use a faster powder. Poppel holes can negate logic. Hey Coco, Nice loads! Out of all of these, what is your favorite and why? Thanks AA#7 10.5gr w/125gr @1.240 because it works with my system (aka Gun) fits my lack of style. I make pf at 10gr / 169pf at 10.2 but the magic happens at 10.5 (175 pf) in my Bedell Comped gun with one poppel hole. Its dirty, cheap and works well. Will it work for your gun, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 My pet load, WSR primer, 8.3 grains Longshot, Montana Gold 121 seated to 1.250. My gun is an older gun, four chamber/8 port comp and no extra holes in the barrel. As others have said, there is so much information on this site about the loads it would take days to go through them all. Searchfu is your friend. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbs007 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Depending on how much holes you have, with a 4-port hybricomp plus 3-top, 2-side comp I use 10.1gr 3N38 over 124gr MG JHP and WSR primer. Shoots average 169pf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latech15 Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 7.6 gr sr7625 with Montana Gold 124 gr round nose = 170.625PF I am going to try and up it a tad to 7.8 to see if I can get it to flatten out a bit more. may try N105 next go round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceU1 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 9.3gr of Vectan SP2 with either Win 38Super +P or Armscor brass, Wolf SR primer, and either a MG 124 CMJ or Zero 125JHP make major quiet easily. However, this load has universally been acclaimed as the "most brutal" load ever felt by a bunch of RO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 9.3gr of Vectan SP2 with either Win 38Super +P or Armscor brass, Wolf SR primer, and either a MG 124 CMJ or Zero 125JHP make major quiet easily. However, this load has universally been acclaimed as the "most brutal" load ever felt by a bunch of RO's. The only one I feel is worse is 10.5 of SP2 and a 115 out of a Super/Comp indoors or under a covered shooting area. That just makes my teeth hurt thinking about it. Joe W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceU1 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 9.3gr of Vectan SP2 with either Win 38Super +P or Armscor brass, Wolf SR primer, and either a MG 124 CMJ or Zero 125JHP make major quiet easily. However, this load has universally been acclaimed as the "most brutal" load ever felt by a bunch of RO's. The only one I feel is worse is 10.5 of SP2 and a 115 out of a Super/Comp indoors or under a covered shooting area. That just makes my teeth hurt thinking about it. Joe W OOOOOWWWW!!!!Yeah, that one would rattle your teeth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 OOOOOWWWW!!!!Yeah, that one would rattle your teeth! Pretty much. With practice you learn how to close off your inner ear and with plugs and muffs on it isn't as bad as it could be. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 OOOOOWWWW!!!!Yeah, that one would rattle your teeth! Pretty much. With practice you learn how to close off your inner ear and with plugs and muffs on it isn't as bad as it could be. Joe W. Sp2 10.2g aol 1.250 124 montana round nose 167pf or 3n38 same as above this is on Eaa Goldteam open V12 with 12 popple holes! Yeah it does RATTLE YOUR TEETH! especially felt by RO's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 OOOOOWWWW!!!!Yeah, that one would rattle your teeth! Pretty much. With practice you learn how to close off your inner ear and with plugs and muffs on it isn't as bad as it could be. Joe W. Sp2 10.2g aol 1.250 124 montana round nose 167pf or 3n38 same as above this is on Eaa Goldteam open V12 with 12 popple holes! Yeah it does RATTLE YOUR TEETH! especially felt by RO's Hey I'd like to try some, can you bring a few pounds to the Nationals? I had a V8 great gun but too much blast in the face shooter and RO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Volumes of loads on the site. Hear are a couple of my loads. Which one is best for you depends on the comp you have etc. AA#7 10.5gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP set 1.240 N350 8.0gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 Have you seen any issues with the WSP primers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Volumes of loads on the site. Hear are a couple of my loads. Which one is best for you depends on the comp you have etc. AA#7 10.5gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP set 1.240 N350 8.0gr w/125gr JHP Zero WSP Set 1.240 Have you seen any issues with the WSP primers? Getting them is the big issue. They work fine as do MagTech small pistol, cci small pistol. I use CCI when I can get them which as you may have heard has been tough. Things are getting better, Grafs has them. You can also use the small rifle but it would mask pressure signs you need to see. Federal small pistol are too soft for open guns I don't use them, except in minor on guns with very weak main springs aka CZ with 13# main spring. You can cut the charge a bit if you use magnum primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 (edited) OOOOOWWWW!!!!Yeah, that one would rattle your teeth! Pretty much. With practice you learn how to close off your inner ear and with plugs and muffs on it isn't as bad as it could be. Joe W. Sp2 10.2g aol 1.250 124 montana round nose 167pf or 3n38 same as above this is on Eaa Goldteam open V12 with 12 popple holes! Yeah it does RATTLE YOUR TEETH! especially felt by RO's Hey I'd like to try some, can you bring a few pounds to the Nationals? I had a V8 great gun but too much blast in the face shooter and RO. Coco, I only have 4 lbs left of sp2 and saving for big matches. I had a slot at the nationals but gave it up coz of Medical school. Vit 3n38 is so..close to the load I can't tell the difference? Excellent consistency of dot movement! I also tried N350 and Autocomp but nothing close. Dot tracking is unpredictable. Edited August 3, 2010 by shooterbenedetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter995 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 I'm at 7.3grns of IMR 7625 behind a 124grn JHP from MG. I am shooting a STI TruBor Don't know what the exact PF is but I do know it's over 165! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 10.2 of VV N105 with a MG 115 JHP (OAL of 1.235), dot just bounces a bit in the lense. STI TruBor, 38 super, stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBoyle Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 (edited) I'm at 7.3grns of IMR 7625 behind a 124grn JHP from MG. I am shooting a STI TruBor Don't know what the exact PF is but I do know it's over 165! You really should chrono it before you just go using someones data for 7625. I have three different lots in my house right now and they are all varied for a 170 pf from 7.1 grains to 7.9 all in a 5.5 inch barrel with no popple holes. Right now my load is VVN350 7.9 grains 124 mg jhp @ 1.243oal. Not as soft as the 7625 but a little more predictable dot movement. 7625 is probably the cleanest powder I have ever used in my open gun but the 350 is pretty clean as well. Edited August 7, 2010 by BBoyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter995 Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 I'm at 7.3grns of IMR 7625 behind a 124grn JHP from MG. I am shooting a STI TruBor Don't know what the exact PF is but I do know it's over 165! Update! my load make 167PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 I'm at 7.3grns of IMR 7625 behind a 124grn JHP from MG. I am shooting a STI TruBor Don't know what the exact PF is but I do know it's over 165! Update! my load make 167PF You should bump that up a bit for a margin of error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 I've tried a lot of different combinations in my Bedell "Shorty" and keep going back to 8 grains of VV N-350, behind a Zero 125 grain JHP. The closest other combination I found that I liked was something like 10 grains of N-105, but, the case was so full, it was a PITA to load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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