Matthew_Mink Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 Anybody know? Anybody have any experience with them? I am looking for a good .308 auto rifle and I'm looking at options right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 I think your SOL on an AR style gun. The AR-10's use a converted m-14 mag and the SR-25 and DPMS use the SR-25 mags. Closest you'll get is one of DSA's guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 Matt, I don't know much about the rifle stuff...are you looking for a rifle for games? I have read...here on the forums...that a .308 might eat up a barrel pretty quick on a lot of the hoser stages that we tend to see in variopus 3-gun matches. Just something to think about. I like the idea of .308, but I don't know what I would use it for (well...I do have a bolt-action Remington .308 for putting meat on the table). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 Hi Matt, What Chriss said. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted December 29, 2003 Author Share Posted December 29, 2003 Kyle, I am not planning on using it for 3 gun, just as another WWIII rifle. I was wanting an accurate AR type rifle and the ability to buy good $5 20rd mags. But since I asked the original question, I stumbled on the answer myself. I knew one was out there, I had just forgotten who made it. American Spirit Arms does indeed have a .308 AR that takes FAL mags. www.gunkits.com I know nothing about the company or their quality. Does anybody here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 Talk with Matt Burkett or Matt Kartozian or Mark Hanish. You're in AZ right? You can probably grab them tomorrow night at Tuesday night steel. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted December 29, 2003 Author Share Posted December 29, 2003 I wish it was that easy, but I am in Arkansas. Do any of them have any knowledge about the product in question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Hi Matt, They might. Matt Burkett: Matt Burkett's Page Matt Kartozian: Custom Glock Racing Mark Hanish: Scottsdale Gun Club One of them should be able to help you out. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 I'd check over on AR-15.com. I've seen their adds but never really heard of anyone using them. How accurate do you want it? GA precision is building some kick ass AR-10's for under 2k. Shooting better than .5 MOA. Mags are more than 5 bucks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted December 30, 2003 Author Share Posted December 30, 2003 Took a peek at Ga Precision, .5 MOA is pretty impressive. They are building their AR-10's out of Eagle/Armalite uppers and lowers, but the price was $2100. I'm looking for a quality rifle that is capable of 1-2 MOA. That's not asking too much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Matthew, Consider JP Rifles if you're not married to the FAL Mag idea....JP Rifles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted December 30, 2003 Author Share Posted December 30, 2003 Hello Nik, JP makes some good stuff, but I'm not really wanting to use this for competition. This .308 would be another WWIII rifle to add to my collection of uh... WWIII rifles. (WWIII = Matt's somewhat humorous alternative to the dreaded "T" word) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 JP builds an impressive and accurate AR10. For mags, if you can find a cheap source for M1A mags, you can convert them with a magbody and follower kit from Armalite for $30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMan Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 ASA in Arizona is building the 308 rifles on AR platform using either FAL or M14 mags. However, their record is spotty with the AR-15.com crowd. I've seen one at a local gun show, but that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 I have had a couple of ASA guns off prize tables. The 9mm carbine that I picked up was not bad. The chamber was a bit skinny but once it was reamed a bit the gun works great. I also just picked up a 16" heavy barrel from Area 2. The gun is 100% reliable after about a 100 round breakin and is shooting 3/4 to 1 1/2 MOA depending on the load. The 1 1/2 was with Federal military ball, not bad. Still doing some load work but it seems to be a quality gun. I have heard some stories about poor reliability and such but both mine have been okay. I'm not real impressed with the 308 charging handle they put on however. It is a side lever that closes up. You have to reach forward and open it before you can charge the rifle. Not very good on a battle rifle. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glockster96 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 It looked like they sold stripped .308 lowers. Maybe you could build up a lower (for the FAL magazine compatability) and drop an Armalite/Eagle Arms uppper on it. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted December 30, 2003 Author Share Posted December 30, 2003 That did indeed cross my mind. But then the big question; would it work? I know they would physically hinge together with the pins, but would the FAL mag well work with the upper built around an M-14 mag? I would hate to spend $1300 putting it together to find out that the mag position was just different enough that it wouldn't feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Matthew . . . you're young, strong, and enthusiastic. I think you should try it and see if it works so the old geezers (like me) can follow your lead. Or, you could get a $350 CETME and a box full of $5 HK91/G3 magazines. Not an AR, but definitely WWIII material! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 You might also consider machining your own AR-10 lower built to take FAL mags; Kristi Tool had these though you will have to have your own machine tools to complete it. The Kristi Tool lowers are designed to take the AR 10 upper receivers and FAL mags (magwell is complete on these). I have made my own AR15 lowers; it is not a money-saving thing but it is cool to have a custom gun without a serial number. I eventually made one up and stamped it on the sides just to avoid the endless arguments with the less informed. I have used my homebuilt ARs to compete in 3 gun locally. Once source for materials are the Les Baer AR15 lowers with magwell broached. There is a good builders site at www.roderuscustom.tzo.com Regards, C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Carlos, Are you suggesting that you have manufactured a firearm or own a firearm without a registered serial number? Not fully knowing the law, but it doesn't sound like a good thing. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Don't even start. Go to ar15.com and read up on building your own. The topic is FAL mags for .308 semi-auto rifles, presumably those available in the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 That is exactly what I have done and it is completely legal under Federal law - subject of course to your state's laws; I have personaly made both AR-15s and a semiauto handgun. The serial number is not required. I put a made up serial number on simply to avoid hassles. You cannot obliterate the ser. number on a gun "manufactured" by a person licensed to "manufacture" firearms; an unlicensed individual can make firearms intended for personal use without being subject to tax or serial number requirements; one common example of this is people who buy a black powder 6gun and convert it to fire metalic cart.s. Take a look at this site: www.roderuscustom.tzo.com. One of the many specific letters from ATF is here: http://www.roderuscustom.tzo.com/cgi-bin/i...ATF_Letters.pdf There are also many threads on the legality of creating your own firearms. There are sights with pics and full descriptions dating back many years on sites such as ar15.com as well as the AK-47 portion of that site. I was amazed to discover this topic back in 1999; since then I have learned basic machining skills and bought a Harbor Freight mini mill (benchtop Bridgeport). It has been incredible fun and very rewarding. Take a look at the sight & let us know what you think. ERIC: thread drift alarm noted & I will make no further posts on this topic as it is supposed to be about AR-10 w/ FAL mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Hi Carlos, Thanks for the info. That site is pretty cool. I'm going to have to do some more reading on it. Sorry for the confusion. From my PM, I think you know where I was coming from. Again, sorry for any misunderstanding. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 I know he doesn't need my "backup," but Carlos is definitely right. It's very much legal to make your guns under Federal laws. I have buddies who have enjoyed making their own ARs from rough forgings of the lower receiver. Seems like a lot of work to me, but once it's done . . . wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 If you only want 1-2 MOA just buy the Eagle Arms .308. It is made by Armalite just doesn't have a good a warranty. Should be around 1000-1200 but it won't take the FAL mags. George at EGW was building off them also. Might be worth it to give him a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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