earlbob Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Have not reloaded or shot much since the early 90's and have recently picked up the guns and began to play again. Them eyes are a bit different now due to that age thang but I can still hit the target which makes it fun! There is a sale of Hodgdons powder on at Cabela's right now (Feb.9, 2010) and I thought I might stock up a bit and get 8 lbs of one of their powders. I am not sure which is best for the 45 acp and am also ignorant of or if there is cross-usability in other calibers. I shoot a 9mm and 38 super also so if one is good for all 3 that would be sweet. Don't expect it though. Anyways if I could get some different opinions from the wise IPSC shooters out there it might save me some money and lower my stress levels a biot today LOL... thanks for your help, love ya, earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) Titegroup for all 3 if velocity are within reason. But for the 45 acp I think Clays is the best. Edited February 9, 2010 by yoshidaex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Titegroup for all 3 if velocity are within reason. But for the 45 acp I think Clays is the best. +1 to that .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Titegroup for all 3 if velocity are within reason. But for the 45 acp I think Clays is the best. +1 to that .. +1 on Clays in the 45, soft and clean. But since you asked for 9, 45, and 38 Super Winchester WST it works well in all 3. I have loaded it in 45, 40, 9 mm, and 38 Super Minor. It is reverse temp sensative so it gets more fps in colder temps and loses its edge above 110. I can load 3 of the 4 calibers without changing the powder measure. 200gr Precision 45 acp 4.7gr 168pf 124gr Montana Gold 9 mm 4.7gr 130pf 185gr Precision 40S&W 4.7gr 171pf 38Super Minor 115gr Zero 5.0gr 125pf (steel load in compensated gun) 38Super Minor 124gr MTG 4.8gr 128pf "" I have used TiteGroup and find it a good powder but only for jacketed bullets. It burns very hot. It was developed for Cowboy action shooting, its a little dirty but not bad. I found it very snappy in 38 Super, and a little more snappy in 9 mm. Works best in 40 with heavy 200 gr jacketed bullet @ 4.3gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Clays, what else is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Another vote for Clays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) im using titegroup now, mainly b.c i can't get Clays to meter well for me in my measure. Going to order some new stuff and try again b/c i sooo much about Clays for .45 Edited February 9, 2010 by Corey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trini Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Another vote for Clays.. I use it with 200 and 230 and never had problems with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlbob Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Clays seems to be pretty popular, how does it compare to 231. That was the last powder I used for 45 ACP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlbob Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 I found Hodgdons loading information and they have several powders listed as better suited to the Clays powder. Longshot (never heard of it), HS-6, Universal, HP-38, and Titegroup all are listed before Clays. Is there a reason why you all like Clays better then those? thanks for your time, earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I found Hodgdons loading information and they have several powders listed as better suited to the Clays powder. Longshot (never heard of it), HS-6, Universal, HP-38, and Titegroup all are listed before Clays. Is there a reason why you all like Clays better then those? thanks for your time, earl Clays is one of the fastest burning powders out there and so gives the softest recoil impulse of most powders. I use it for 40 as well but in the 40 it is very high pressure and one small reloading error will make the top of your gun come off. However in the big low pressure 45 case clays is just right. Powders such as HS-6 and Longshot are slower and will significantly increase the "felt" recoil...not good for fast shooting .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Christian Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 HP-38 is a good powder for .45... as well as .38 Spl. It's virtually identical to Win 231, and those two are my choices for .38 and .45, and it can work with 115 & 124 grain 9mm. Longshot is a newer powder and the folks at Hodgdons tell me it is not temperature sensitive. I've used it in 9mm (147 grain) with excellent results and in .45. It doesn't do well with greatly reduced loads... but it is very good for the PF loads we have to run in IDPA & USPSA. In the .38 Spl it needs a pretty good loading density to get a complete burn in that larger volume case and minimal ES, but the 9mm and .45 cases are small volume enough that it works well there. Clays is a popular choice for jacketed .45 ACP loads, and I have used it there. Have not used it on 9mm because it burns fast and that small case seems to work better with mid-range powders (WSF for 147 grains is my 9mm favorite, although Longshot is good). If you are looking for one Hodgdon powder for 9mm and .45 I think you'll be happy with Longshot. Chris Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 i believe titegroup is acatually faster burning than Clays. if burn rate is the vital aspect, why not titegroup over Clays? I understand titegroup smokes a lot with lead/moly bullets (ill find out when i can get to the range), how does Clays react to the lead/moly bullets???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD Niner Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 +1 more for Clays. I also use it for my 9mm minor loads so it cuts down on the number of powders I have to keep in inventory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trini Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I like a powder that is going to give me more rounds per pound. Clays will give over 1600 rds per pound of powder compared to others. If we as shooters are looking for the cheapest buy on primers, brass and bullets why not also include powder in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlbob Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 I like a powder that is going to give me more rounds per pound. Clays will give over 1600 rds per pound of powder compared to others. If we as shooters are looking for the cheapest buy on primers, brass and bullets why not also include powder in the picture. That thought was in my mind as I seen the Longshot was also kind of long on the throw weight. Almost double the Clays, if I figured it right 42% more on the 230Gr RNL, which means almost double the expense. Longshot does give more velocity at less pressure then the Clays. It would be nice if they priced the stuff so they equaled out on the cost per 1000 rounds. Dream om dude LOL Catch you later as earlbillyjoebob-a-kowski is soon to be heading off into the snore zone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 i believe titegroup is acatually faster burning than Clays. if burn rate is the vital aspect, why not titegroup over Clays? I understand titegroup smokes a lot with lead/moly bullets (ill find out when i can get to the range), how does Clays react to the lead/moly bullets???? Clays is faster then Titegroup, about 4-5 powders higher on most powder burn rate charts. Titegroup is an excellent choice of powder as well for the same felt recoil reducing, fast cycling, tracking, properties. However titegroup is a lot hotter and dirtier. I have used Clays and titegroup with lead bullets in .40 and .45. Clays smokes but so what, Titegroup "really" smokes. A rule I have been useing for .40 and .45 powders, if you can make major with under 5.0grs of powder in the 180 to 200gr. bullet weight then the powder is fast enough for our game.. Titegroup,Clays,WST,N320,etc..etc.. Anything more then say 4.9grs for this weight and you have lots of excess powder/gas to burn off after the bullet has left the barrel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 ive always kinda gone off this chart: http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html i really want to try Clays for all the reviews it gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 ive always kinda gone off this chart: http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html i really want to try Clays for all the reviews it gets ??? How about this one from "Hodgden" http://www.hodgdon.com/burn-rate.html Burn rate is not the end all, most powders we use regularly are generly in the same burn rate area but so are some others that do not work as well for these applications. Titegroup and Clays are proven powders for these calibers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MoreChains Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Can't add any more, other than to say: CLAYS! With moly bullets, it's the faschizzle (learned a new word the other day, and have been waiting for a chance to show off my contemporary nature...!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 im pretty much gonna stick with titegroup or Clays as they seem popular for a reason aaaaand i can get a good deal on these powders over others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I'm switching to Solo 1000 for everything after I finish the last of my 4lb jug of Clays. Clays has served me well for over 4 years, but Clays won't load 9mm with 147s and I won't even try it with 180s in .40, so S1000 is the new game in town. Clays is great in .45 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I'm at 4.2gr of Clays with my 230gr FMJ in a 625 and it doesn't give me the margin I would like to have going to an Area match so I too will be switching to Solo 1000. Be nice if I could get it locally instead of at Powder Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougBarnes101 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Another vote for Clays. I use it with 185 Gr Precision SWC and it is great. I use Longshot for my 230 Gr Round Nose for bowling pins. Edited February 10, 2010 by DougBarnes101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I used to use 231 in 9mm, .40, and .45, but, switched to Titegroup for 9mm and .40, and switched to Clays for .45--I think in 2004. The only issue I've come across is that Clays gets a 10-15 pf increase at 85 degrees, compared to 35-40 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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