DKorn

I’m thinking more about my 3 gun holster, and others that want to use a 3 gun holster for USPSA but don’t want to engage the hood. Previously, I would have to either use the hood, remove it, or use a different holster (I usually just use a different holster). Under the proposed change, all I have to do is show that the hood isn’t permenantly attached and I don’t have to use it.

Did anyone notice the subtle change to 5.2.5.3 in the proposed 2019 rules? ” If a retaining strap is permanently attached to a holster or magazine pouch, it must be applied or closed prior to issuance of the “Standby” command” (Empahsis added by me) Thoughts?

It’s amazing how far a simple “Hey you’ve got a mike over here, do you want to see it before they patch it?” goes to keep people happy. Heck, I’ll even do that as the person pasting targets if it seems like the shooter might want to see it.

This is also why, as the RO scoring the targets, I will make sure the shooter is made aware of anything unusual (like a mike when the rest of the stage was almost all 2A or A/C). I will also overlay anything I’m unsure of (it’s rare, but it happens) in order to make darn sure everything is scored correctly.

I must’ve missed that one! Good call, this is why I love the rules discussions. So so based on your reading of 8.2.5, someone shooting a DA/SA Production gun should decock prior to reholstering? What is the penalty if they do not? It can’t be a DQ since 10.5.11 isn’t violated... can it? Edit: Rereading it, hammer back safety on is a legal ready condition for a Da/SA gun, just not one you can start in for Production. Does this mean you can reholster with the hammer back in production as long as you put the safety on, or not?

Technically the conditions for safe reholstering are slightly less restrictive than this- see 10.5.11

You don’t have to tell the RO, and don’t have to clear the gun at all. It does, however, need to be in a legal configuration, so: -if you’re shooting a DA/SA with a safety, you need the safety on -If you’re shooting single action only (like a 1911/2011), you need the safety on -If you’re shooting a DA/SA with a decocker, you need to decock See rule 10.5.11 Also keep in mind that holstering/drawing inside the tunnel is a DQ for unsafe gun handling under 10.5.4

Piecing together a lower is no big deal assembly wise. For a PCC, it’s a price issue to me. I can get an assembled PSA lower for about $150 and then gradually change out anything I don’t like versus buying just a lower for around the same price.

I’m actually thinking about borrowing a buddy’s PCC for a match just to see if I like it.

You are reading the rules correctly. Appendix D4 21.4 used to read: • For semi-automatic Production guns, grip tape, grip sleeves, checkering, stippling or other texture may only be applied in the areas shown in appendix E4. Glue and grit is considered the same as stippling. • Replacement grip panels are allowed provided they do not extend below the butt of the gun to form a make-shift magwell. • Revolver grips may be replaced with OFM or aftermarket grips of any shape, profile and surface texture. Special Notes/Clarifications: • See 22.2, below, for specifics with regard to modifications on revolver grips. After the changes it now reads: • Grip modifications such as, but not limited to, undercutting/smoothing the trigger guard, adding or removing finger grooves, or adding stippling, grip tape, or checkering are allowed. Replacement grip panels are allowed provided they do not extend below the butt of the gun to form a make- shift magwell. • Revolver grips may be replaced with OFM or aftermarket grips of any shape, profile and surface texture. Special Notes/Clarifications: See 22.2, below, for specifics with regard to modifications on revolver grips.

I have a few optics that can be moved over, but will worry about it separately since the optic can be used on a different gun depending on what I end up preferring for the PCC.

Right now I’m running 125 grain round nose blue bullets at a fairly short (1.10-1.12) OAL since the PPQ has a pretty tight/short chamber. I figure they’ll hopefully work in the PCC- if not then I’ll experiment and ideally find a load that works for both.

Given that it’ll be a competition and range toy only gun, and that I already load only round nose of a specific OAL for my pistol for USPSA, why is this a problem? I’m seriously wondering- many people bring it up as a problem, but then accept without comment that a Limited or Open gun may run only with certain loads.

I’m willing to take the time to tune a PCC-specific load if need be. That said, if it’s going to make a big difference I’m willing to look at options. The taccom upper is definitely going to be included, so that won’t change. If I decide to do my own (better) lower assembly than the PSA, what would you go with as far as parts other than the lower itself?

I’ve heard this, but it adds quite a bit of cost. Plus, if I'm going to do my own lower build, I’m going to use a Coda Evolution lower, and they don’t make uppers.

Ill be running round nose anyway. I’m probably going to put the new CMC PCC flat trigger in it since my 3 gun rifle has a CMC flat trigger.

Hey all, I’m looking at building my first PCC and I’d like feedback on my plan before I start buying anything. I’m thinking: -Taccom complete ULW upper (~$500) -PSA Complete Glock lower (~$150) This would get me a complete rifle for $650 and let me did my toes into PCC. Once I get hooked, I’ll probably upgrade the trigger and swap out the stock and grip for ones I like better. I could buy just a lower and build it myself, but with how much less expensive the PSA complete lower is it seems like a no brainer. Thoughts?

Thank you. It’s the same way that I handle an incorrect start position and, perhaps most importantly, the same way I would want it handled when I’m the shooter.

Yeah, if you’re yelling at someone over this rule then someone’s doing something wrong. As the RO, all I would do is wait until the person gets into the start position after make ready and then tell them that the hood/strap needs to be engaged per rule 5.2.5.3. If they don’t like it, then “Ok, let’s unload you and you can talk to the CRO/RM while I run the next shooter.” Also, I’m not going to make a stink and try to retroactively impose penalties on past stages- I wasn’t there, so I don’t know for sure what happened.

Two comments: 1- I don’t disagree at all about your comment that the rules could be changed to add exceptions. Right now, if the exceptions are not written into the rules, then we have to enforce the rules as written. If we don’t like the rules, push to have hem changed. 2- What is considered safe in this sport vs other sports is irrelevant in my opinion except when discussing rules changes. In some cases, I think we might go too far, probably because when the sport was new they were trying to appease people who were afraid of the whole “running around with loaded guns” thing. In other cases, I think we get it right and other sports (3 gun, clay sports) should probably have stricter safety rules). I’d love to discuss it more but think it should be a separate discussion.

I hate to admit this, but I agree with Sarge. Just kidding, I’ve shot with him many times and he’s a very reasonable range official and great squadmate. As Range Officers, a large part of our job is to make calls per the rules. If the people who wrote wanted there to be exceptions, they would have written them into the rules. This is supported by the fact that these exceptions exist- for example, dropping a gun is a DQ, unless it’s outside of the course of fire. If someone violates a rule and the penalty per the rulebook is a DQ, then there is no room for judgement or warnings. How would you feel if someone violates a rule, and you let them off with a warning, and then later that day they cause injury to themselves or someone else? Warnings make sense when someone comes close to violating a rule, or when you think someone may have done something but aren’t sure enough to make a call (“It looked like your finger might’ve been in the trigger guard while you were moving but I’m not 100% sure. If your finger is in the trigger guard and the RO sees it you’ll get DQ’d. You might want to be more careful.”). When someone has actually violated a rule, the time for warnings has passed, and all you can/should do is apply the proper penalty per the rules.

2.2.3 Barriers – Must be constructed in the following manner: 2.2.3.1 They must be high enough and strong enough to serve the intended purpose.

4 longish stages + classifier 4 longish stages + classifier 4 longish stages, 1 short course, and classifier 4 outdoor stages, 1 indoor stage, and classifier (on hiatus this year but will probably be back next year with 1 more stage)

Extra shot penalties are assessed based on the actual number of shots fired, regardless of what you find when you go to score the targets. Extra hit penalties are assessed based on the number of hits on each target, regardless of the number of shots fired. Hard cover misses and no shoot hits don’t count.

They’re in Refinement and Repetition (his first book). They basically boil down to classifier and general gun handling skills. They include draws to a sight picture, reloads, “shots” on multiple targets, and strong/weak hand work. If you want the details, buy the book. It’s worth it. I’d also but Get to Work. It’s also really really good.