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Also, you don’t focus on the mouse and follow it across the screen to where you want to click. Try doing it this way sometimes. It’s hilariously slow.

My normal dry fire routine is basically built around the first 12 drills from Refinement and Repetition. For at least a few weeks, I’m adding in additional work on reloads. Next, I’ll probably be working on movement since I rarely if ever do any shooting into or out of position.

To clarify - I’m going to focus more on reloads than I normally would in dry fire for a few days, or really probably more like a couple of weeks, and then reasses to see where to go from there. I’ll look to see if anything has changed, what needs to be improved, and if I need to switch to focusing on a different part of my game.

I’ve been doing a mix of this, Pause and Effect (from Get to Work), regular reloads, and other drills including reloads like El Prez, 4 Aces, etc.

I’m definitely not grabbing it consistently. When I get my index finger high and straight along the front of the mag, it goes well 90% of the time. When I don’t, it usually goes poorly.

I’m going to focus hard on reloads in dry fire for a few days and post again to see how I’ve improved. I’m going to work on: -moving the gun closer without dropping it low. Basically bringing it in front of my face. -speeding up the weak hand -consistency in how my week hand grabs the magazine, especially out of the last few pouches I’ll also work some movement in to make sure that my technique is compatible with moving in any direction (except maybe straight back. I tend to do that a little differently).

I’m currently C class in Single Stack and U in Production. I’m making the switch to Production this year. Anyway, I was initially struggling with not having a Dawson magwell but have smoothed things out some. Now I’m working on improving speed and consistency of my reloads. Here’s a video of some reloads from today’s dry fire practice: If anyone can chime in with tips to help speed up my reloads I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

I think it’s because 8.2.3 says “you can never do _____”, while 8.2.2 says “unless otherwise specified, do _____”, which leaves “otherwise specified” up to interpretation (which DNROI has helpfully done for us).

No. This is specifically disallowed under 8.2.3.

What I got most from this topic: 1) Even if the WSB doesn’t state it, toes/heels on marks still includes facing down range, hands relaxed at sides. 2) Write the WSB as specifically as you can when it comes to the start position. If you want to specifically allow something (such as facing any direction), then specifically include it.

Or “Start anywhere, facing any direction”

I would think it would be less of an issue at level 2 matches and up since they are more likely to have dedicated stage ROs rather than ROs embedded in each squads. Not sure if this is correct since I’ve never been to a major match.

I will revise my understanding of this rule now that I have an interpretation from DNROI that contradicts my previous interpretation. I will now enforce as much of the default start position as is possible within a defined foot placement and allow anything safe and otherwise legal when hand position, etc. is defined.

If 8.2.2 said “unless all aspects of the start position are otherwise specified”, then I would agree with you.

8.2.2 doesn’t make any mention of stance or location. 8.2.2 only talks about “start position”.

I agree with everything you just said.

Why is “hands on marks” considered “otherwise specified” for 8.2.2 but everyone here seems convinced that “toes on marks” is not? Has there been a ruling or clarification for this? Has anyone asked an authoritative source? I emailed the RMI who taught my RO class and he seemed to think that the default start position specified in 8.2.2 does not apply to “toes on marks”.

I agree that this is best solved by writing better WSBs that eliminate any questions. As as the shooter, I wouldn’t question it at all either, even if I disagree with the RO. It isn’t worth the hassle of arguing about the start position. Arguing is going to throw me off more mentally than changing my start position slightly would. Where I see this as an issue is if I’m the RO and am running a squad at a local match. I want to be consistent with the other squads in what I allow or don’t allow, but clearly there’s no consistency veteeen everyone’s opinion on how to interpret it. For instance, on Monday we had a stage that started “hands on marks”, and the marks were on a side wall of the indoor range. Per 8.2.2, the position of the rest of the shooter’s body is not specified, so should they have to start with the rest of their body facing downrange? Facing the wall? Wherever they want? I was just a shooter at this match, and I watched different ROs allow (and not allow) shooters to start in different positions. I started with my hands touching the wall, but he rest of my body turned towards the first array (mostly this put me facing down range, but with my upper body twisted to the side). Another shooter tried to do this with a different RO and was told to face square to the wall. Obviously, the better solution is to write a better WSB, but what do you do if the shooter questions the RO about the inconsistency? For this reason, I think 8.2.2 needs to be rewritten so that “unless otherwise specified, the shooter may start facing any direction with hands relaxed at sides”.

From what i’ve seen and heard, a lot of it comes down to personal preference. This is doubly true if you already shoot the regular version of one of these guns in Production.

I would think that “toes on maks” is “otherwise specified” and that sentence in 8.2.2 doesn’t apply, but I’m not 100% sure. I’m going to send an email to my RO class instructor later to see if he can clarify.

“Issuing a warning” for this doesn’t make sense to me. Either the shooter is in the start position, in which case you issue the “are you ready” command, or they aren’t, and you wait for them to get into the start position. If they appear to not be getting into the start position you want them to, then correct them before issuing the “are you ready” command, just like you would if someone forgot that it was a wrists above shoulders start and was standing with hands at sides.

1- Sounds like you need to visualize better before the run so your plan becomes automatic and you don’t even have to think about it. Also, it sounds like you are analyzing your performance as you go and consciously making decisions about how to shoot the rest of the stage. Instead, try giving your conscious mind one job to do (call each shot and decide whether a make up is required) and let your well visualized stage plan and subconscious skills do the rest. Of course, this is easier said than done, and I’m not there yet. 2- Definitely don’t stop if you think you see a target that had not been pasted. If the shooter before you was shooting a different division, it might still be possible to score the target, so there’s no guarantee of a reshoot. Having your plan plan burned in and your conscious mind already occupied will probably help prevent you from hesitating or stopping.

I’m only C class, but it looks to me like you’re doing a good job of shooting as you come into position. Maybe you can start moving as you’re engaging the last target in an array? I’m not sure if that would’ve been an option here or not.

Copying from a Reddit thread (on r/competitionshooting) about this same topic: -Create a dry fire schedule, then meet or exceed the scheduled amount of practice. -Create a fitness/workout plan, then meet or exceed the plan. -Attend my first major match. Probably will be either the Buckeye Blast or Battle in the Bluegrass -Start ROing at matches. I did the class this year but haven’t taken the step of ROing much at matches. -(Maybe) Take a class of some sort. I live only 2ish hours away from Steve Anderson’s home range, so that’s the direction I’m leaning IF I go for a competition-specific class. I might do a more general handgun class instead, since I have basically no formal training on the actual fundamentals of pistol shooting. I also may put this off another year due to cost. -Read Practical Pistol Reloaded, Dry Fire Training Reloaded, With Winning in Mind, and Get to Work. Reread Practical Shooting: Beyond Fundamentals. Apply what I learn to my training and shooting. -I’d like to make at least B class this year, and try for IDPA Expert or higher.

Are you talking about transitions from target to target in an array or from gun to gun in multi gun?