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Yeah Baby! I'm excited and it isn't even my gun. Tony

About a year ago I shot a club match squaded with a gentleman named "Sam". Now Sam's blaster was definately not a crappy gun. It was however a very strange looking round contraption that only held six shots. On a 12 shot classifier stage "Cash and Carry" he beat me and my limited gun by 1 1/2 seconds. He had to reload, I didn't. That is just wrong on so many levels. Okay Hop, you got me. Now that I'm shooting open, try not to make me look too bad. BTW, If you show up at a match with some "Josey Wales" ball and cap gun, I'm leaving. I couldn't risk the humiliation. Tony

I agree. That does seem to be the norm...especially in out area. Those are often, it seems, the shooters that don't yet reload. So, they are shooting factory 40...and their guns hold anywhere from 12-15 rounds (not really competitive in Limited). Limited-10 is the perfect home for these shooters. It seems a lot of them stay in L-10 if/when they start reloading. Interesting. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that most L10 shooters are carrying 1911/2011 type guns in our area. There certainly are some folks with "Production" double action style guns but they are not as prevalent. USPSA typically polls shooters at the nationals and publishes trends in guns and gear in Front Sight. Someone refresh my memory. What was the dominant gun platform in L10 for the last published result? Tony

Okay, you asked us to confine our answers to the differences in the guns typically used in these divisions. I will do my best to comply. The guns we shoot in any division are a function of what works best under a specific set of rules. Change the rules slightly and you can radically change the nature of the division. For example: The only difference between Limited and L10 is the 10 round restriction. The result is that you see a lot of folks shooting the 45 in L10 but hardly anyone shoots a 45 in Limited where the bigger caliber would reduce the round count. The rules of the production division tend to steer most shooters into 9mm polymer pistols. There are other double action pistols such as the S&W 5906 and Para LDA's, but the division is ruled by Glocks and XDs. Limited 10 is far more inclusive in the type of handgun. Almost any gun you can dig up (short of a full race gun) is legal so L10 shooters may have almost anything in the holster. "Are the practical distinctions between most guns in these divisions really that dissimilar?" Yes Production shooters typically shoot lighter guns with less recoil, heavier triggers and longer trigger pull / reset. L10 shooters (mostly) shoot heavier 1911/2011 guns with higher power factors thus greater recoil, light / fast single action triggers, mag wells etc. Tony

Oh my God! Where are the moderators when you need them? If there's not a rule against that,....... make one! T

Sorry you have to go through this. Take your 1911 with you and a tape a dry fire target to the wall. A little practice will take your mind off the procedure. Tony

+1 Traveling to Arkansas, LSU, Florida and Georgia would be tough on anybody. Hard to image going through that gauntlet unscathed. Oh well, I can hope. One thing in our favor. Auburn is at it's best when they get no respect. War Eagle.

A pretty girl in a pretty place. Looks like Maui. Keep the girl. Stuck in B is not THAT bad. Tls

Actually I did watch the debates. ("Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.") While I appreciate the sentiment, I thought the manner in which Mr. Townsend asked his question caused him to come across as being a touch fanatical. Shoving your Bushmaster into the camera lens and proclaiming "This is MY baby" is a little too "in your face" for general audiences. Gun owners may have loved it but it's not helpful to scare the crap out of soccer moms from coast to coast. I would have hoped he could have asked the question a little more diplomatically. I believe Gov. Richardson made a comment regarding the need for better screening and a culture of violence. The other candidate to address the question was Senator Joe Biden. His response was: "If that is your baby you need help". He made additional comments to the effect that the questioner may be unbalanced and may have just disqualified himself as a legitimate gun owner. His final remark was "I hope he doesn't come looking for me." Its a shame that none of the other candidates addressed the issue. Tony

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Count me in. +1

That's exactly the point. Like a baseball player, it's got to be frustrating to hit fouls and line drives and pop ups. What keeps us coming back are those rare moments when you just slam the ball and knock the cover off it. Everyone has those and I try to think about them before every match. Positive reinforcement should be part of everyone's mental game. Think about what you've done right and expect it to happen again. If you only think about your mistakes you are guaranteed to repeat them. Tls

I've read many posts on this forum about issues and problems that happen to people during a match. Spraying ammo all over the landscape, broken guns, dropped mags, etc. We're all too familiar with those things. I thought it would be good therapy for some of the members to post about some of the special things that have happened to them. We've all had a few moments that would have made the highlight reels in our careers. Let's hear about them. One of my best moments came right after I first started shooting in Limited. I'd been shooting club matches for 7 or 8 months with a SS 1911. I felt the need for more speed so I dropped the cash for a Limited blaster. After a few weeks of getting to know the gun, I went to an indoor club match and just burned down the first stage. When I was done everyone watching broke into spontaneous applause. It was like graduation night. After months of struggling to learn the game, I felt everything was finally starting to come together. I will never forget how good that felt. So how about it boys and girls? Tell me about that special day when you got into a zone and just couldn't miss. Tls

I like the way you think Dale. Just because I bought the AR don't think for a second that I've forgotten about Benny. I want it all. (I learned that from my wife) Tony

The Brady Act is still in effect, requiring background checks on all firearms sales through the NICS system The AWB portion of the 1994 Omnibus crime bill is what is gone. "The Black Rifle" is a term given to the M16 during the 1960s...many enthusiast websites still call it that. AR15.com calls it'self "Home of the Black Rifle. Black Rifle is a much more harmless term than "assault rifle". I don't think "Black Rifle" was used in a slanderous fashion in this piece at all. I stand corrected. Brady Bill AWB

Everyone that has posted has given you great advice..... and I wouldn't follow any of it. If you bought the Caspian used, there's no telling how many rounds have been through it. It may be running okay now but open division is hard on guns and you may find that troubles may soon develop. It's annoying to be trying to perform and all of a sudden your extractor breaks due to metal fatique, or the barrel link breaks in the middle of a match. etc. etc. I would use the certificate, sell the caspian and buy a new open blaster. Start fresh with a new gun and wear it out yourself. But that's just me. Tls

It seemed to be a fairly objective and balanced piece. I've seen worse. There always seem to be sinister overtones in gun related stories in main stream media. You never can really tell if the theme was: 1. These evil guns are available again and lots of folks are buying them up. Now you have to worry about being shot by some soccer mom on the way to the grocery store. 2. These guns aren't so evil after all and a great many are in the hands of men and women that enjoy them for sport shooting. Whichever message comes through is in the eye of the beholder. I tend to think it is #1. The media always seems to imply that the status quo changes with the coming and going of the Brady Bill. They don't seem to recognize that vast numbers of these firearms were still around during the Bill's tenure. In this piece too much is made of pistol grips. True, It was one of the criteria the bill used to define an assault rifle. So what? Almost any rifle that can be fired from the shoulder can be fired from the hip. "Black" rifles? There's a negative connotation if I ever heard one. Oh well, as I said, I've seen worse. Any time NBC puts someone on camera using a firearm responsibly for sport, you gotta see it as a positive. Tony

+1 I voted wrong. I said up to 100 but I calculate all my numbers based on a one way trip. I'll travel to a local match that is within 100 miles. Travel to a sectional match or area match within 300 miles. (Although I have traveled as far a 700 miles for Targeting Education) I travel to the Fla Open every year which is 600 miles. I have no problem traveling 600 - 700 miles for Nationals. Basically, if it's a big match and its within a days drive, I'm up for it. If I have to fly to get there, no. I don't want my guns stolen by some airline baggage handler and I don't care for the ammo hassles. Tony

I'm with you. It's an on demand skill set. If someone wants to pump up their classification artificially, they only put themselves into a class where they can't be competative. Maybe it hurts no one else, but it stills seems like abuse of the classification system. On the other hand I guess its not that different from shooting the same classifer at several different matches. The system will keep the high score and toss out the others. The only difference would be shooting them on the same day vs. over several weeks. There may be a lot of ways to look at it. It's just weird to me. I've never seen this before and had no idea it was even happening. As far as the original question, if I tank a few stages I still turn in my score sheet. I did what I did. Canning the score sheet doesn't undo it. Tony

Okay Mark, I probably did misunderstand but I'm still not sure I get this. Let's say I sign up for limited, shoot the match and the classifier. I know it's perfectly alright to go back and reshoot the match or just the classifier in a different division, say L10 or Open. Happens all the time. We always have "2ND GUN" match right after the first. You can shoot it for score or just for fun. However, what you are telling me is that I could show up shoot the match and shoot the classifer 4 or 5 times if I wish in the same division. The first classifier would count for match score and the highest of the bunch would go in to Sedro Wooley for classification, the others get tossed?

At any club I have ever belong to, there would be no possibility of shooting a classifer more than once in a given division. The score sheets are turned over to and remain in the custody of the RO during the match. Once your score is recorded on that score sheet it is a done deal. They aren't going to let you just shoot it again and change your score nor would they let you shoot it multiple times before recording a score. At least not without a legitimate reason within the rules for a re-shoot. Perhaps I am naive but I don't see how this is happening and if it is it needs to stop. If the inflated score is factored into the overall score for the match and it changes the results. This is blatant cheating and against every principle of the NROI. Tls

I was hoping for both.

"Pu**y in the Bank" Bwaaahaaahaaa. I love it. Siggy, where do I go to open an account? I might need to make a withdrawal. Tony

How about 1 AR and 3 uppers?

Decision made. I made a commitment to buy a JP CTR-02 (presentation grade) from boynty77 in forum classifieds. Now I just have to figure out what kind of optics to put on it. Thanks for all the comments. My biggest concern now is spreading myself too thin and slowing my progress with the pistol. Oh well. I'm just going to have some fun with this new rifle and let the chips fall where they fall. Three Gun Tony