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Simplest description ... Earlier this year YML was working a major match and engaged in what, to use a military term, was conduct unbecoming. A complaint was filed and investigated. Several meetings were held by the board and YML. The end result was YML lost his RO status and, as such, was no longer eligible to be President. Officially, he resigned. A subsequent election has been held and he has won reelection. However, per the current bylaws he must be a certified RO before he can again assume office. There are several NROI RO classes between now and the end of December whereby he can, in theory, accomplish this.

Walt Kelly Pogo, 1971

A revolt? Keep in mind that only around 1 in 5 members took the trouble to actually vote. Of those, only slightly over half voted for the winner. If anything, the revolt is that very few were interested enough to register their choice in the first place.

Winners, no. Whoever wins a division, class, or category wins. HOWEVER - In order to be a state or national champion, one MUST be from that state or nation.

TGO is so talented I don't think it matters which hand he shoots with.

Not that I'm aware of.

As I understand the current bylaws, yes. However, there are several classes scheduled between now and then. I see no reason he can't do that.

Absolutely not. As previously mentioned, freestyle is freestyle. He can do whatever he wants ... until he violates a safety rule. What I said was to clarify what is considered, by rule, to be his strong and weak hands.

And there you have it ... Darwinism at its finest. For the rest of your question, consider the wording in the Glossary for Strong and Weak Hand. By that wording, it does not matter that he is left-handed. The fact that the gun is on his right side and he draws it with his right hand makes his right hand his strong hand by definition, and his left hand his weak hand, again, by definition.

Had to look that one up ... I'm retired Air Force. My daddy taught me there was never a good reason to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!

Forgot that one ... Vegas is about 2.5 hours away and SLC a little over 4.

Moderators – Your forbearance is requested. My integrity and credibility have been directly challenged. @Dirty_J Since you have chosen to do a dumpster dive on me, let’s get some comparative facts on the table: You’ve been in the sport now for a little over 6 years. Congratulations, you’re no longer a rookie. On the other hand, I’ve been in the sport for over 30 years. I think that qualifies me as a grizzled veteran. Are there others around that have been around longer than I? Sure … And I try to respect them. You’re correct. The last nationals I shot­ was in 2016. My reasons are my own and not subject to your review or approval. Since you joined USPSA in 2017 it would appear you have shot a total of 3 nationals, all in PCC. (Note: The 2023 figures have not been posted … This may be 4 by now.) I shot my first nationals in 1996. In the intervening 20 years I competed in, conservatively, 40 or more USPSA nationals. This does not include the equivalent or higher level IPSC matches. I see you’re an RO. Thank you for stepping up and volunteering your time. In the 3+ years since you became an RO you have apparently worked 3 Level 2 matches in or near your home. Since the last nationals I shot (2016) I have worked something on the order of a dozen nationals, several area matches, and 7 IPSC matches at Level 3 or higher. For those matches I have been the RM for 3 US IPSC Nationals and 2 IPSC Continental Championships (Level 4.) I completed my requirements for Range Master more than 6 years before you even got into this sport. I point the above facts out as experience shooting a nationals has little relevance to the multiple factors of where to host a nationals, such as to distance from an airport to a shooting venue. That decision is based far more on the logistics of the match. For many years the USPSA Nationals were held at PASA Park in IL. The closest major airport would be Kansas City … 2 1/2 hours away. I’ve shot and worked there many times. I’ve also shot and/or worked nationals in Fredericksburg, VA; Missoula, MT; Bend OR; Talladega, AL; and Tulsa, OK. NONE of these venues would meet your requirements as stated. You also seem to think that in a typical 400+ shooter nationals everyone will be trying to fly in at the same time. News flash … Let’s examine that. Typically, 10-15% of the shooters will be staff and sponsors. That means they have to be there several days sooner than the last day before the main match begins. Next, consider that there is virtually always a sizeable number of shooters who choose to drive to the match. Some of them it’s because they live close enough that it makes more sense to drive than to fly. Some others just don’t like to fly, especially with guns and ammo. Out of what’s left, I would estimate that only about 150 or less will be flying. Let’s break that down further … To be certain, some folks will choose to fly the day before the match begins and arrive “just-in-time.” Others will choose to get there 1-2 days early in order to settle in, get their gear ready, rest after the flight, and check out the stages while the staff shoots them. My best guess: 50-60 folks will try to fly in the day before. That kind of puts a different spin on your analysis of 400+ shooters all trying to get into an airport with 14 flights per day at the same time. It just doesn’t work that way in real life. I honestly do apologize for seeming to come down on you this so hard. However, you strongly intimated that since I had not shot a nationals since 2016 I was somehow unqualified to have an opinion. Hopefully, I have pointed out that a lot more goes into an analysis such as this than merely competing in the match. I have the experience and training to know better. FWIW, I’m not certain that Rapid City would make an ideal location for a nationals … but you are cutting it off at the knees based substantially on distance to a “major airport.” A lot more goes into these decisions than what you seem to give credit for.

Maybe we should build a large range in Manhattan ... Central Park has the space. Hopefully JFK could meet the massive influx of shooters. Clearly, I think someplace like Rapid City can handle what we would need.

The following airlines service Rapid City: Allegiant Air, American Airlines/American Eagle, Delta Airlines, Sun Country Airlines and United Airlines Just how many do you need?

All YML need do is take and pass the level 1 RO course again and he'll be eligible. That's not a terribly high bar ...

I'm not going there. I don't know if that's fact or rumor and gossip. It's not worth my time and effort.

Interesting ...

IIRC ... The requirement for Board Members and the President to be certified ROs only came in a few years ago. I think they are just taking it back to where it was before. We don't yet know who the next President will be. The runoffs aren't over until next week. The whole name thing is a mess but not an existential threat to the organization. I'm baffled as to what all the executive sessions were even about (except, obviously, for Troy) with all the vacations/unvacations, assignments, etc. That level of nondisclosure would not fly under the sunshine laws in many states. I suppose we'll learn more in the coming weeks.

No intention to violate current proscriptions, so if this does, Moderators please delete ... That said, I just read the above minutes. Am I the only one reading these and saying Whhhaaaatttt? I've no idea what's going on here.

No, they don't. But they also do not prohibit it. The various rules under 9.1 are consistent ... The RO must determine whether or not an accurate score can be determined. If yes, score it. If not, reshoot. Under some circumstances the presence or absence of a grease mark can be used to help make an informed decision. In the case of the 2 poppers as presented by the OP ... I suggest all review 9.1.5.4. They both score. The rule on scoring metal targets is they must be shot and overturn to score. (I'm paraphrasing here.) If it's been hit, and especially if it falls, whether by 1 shot or 10, I cannot with a straight face call a FTSA on either target.

Can't agree ... We already watered down Major when we dropped it below 175. Seems like every time someone whines about MAJ/min the chorus either wants to further dilute Major or to simply eliminate it. I'm not in favor of that.

When two targets overlap it is physically possible to shoot at both targets with one shot. The rule doesn't say that one round can only be shot at one target. In my example each target was shot at by one round ... It just happened to be the same round on both targets as evidenced by the hits.

I tend to view it as one is not sighting in the gun ... One is sighting in the system. The shooter is Part of the system. I do pretty much what @shred described above.

Not quite correct ... Assume 2 paper targets overlapping. 1 round is fired at the combined array. It strikes the non scoring line in such a way that it counts for score on BOTH targets. You score both targets accordingly. WHICH target would one consider he did NOT shoot at? Hint ... If there's a scoring hit on a target you cannot make a credible argument for FTSA for either target, regardless of number of shots fired.

Correct.