Schutzenmeister

I've watched the man practice this routine at his range in LA ... His typical 6 shot group includes a LOT of Charlies, and frequently a delta or two. Additionally, the speed drill in the video is on ONE target at between 5 and 7 yards ... Don't get me wrong ... The man is awsome, but the clip you see IS NOT an El Prez. Back in 2002, at the US Factory Gun Nationals, they included the El Prez as part of the match ... Here's the official revolver records for the top 10 wheel gunners: 1 RICHARD G BITOW 13 M Revolver 50 0 5.75 8.6957 60.0000 100.00% 2 jerry miculek 287 U Revolver 51 0 6.70 7.6119 52.5218 87.54% 3 patrick sweeney 138 U Revolver 58 0 9.06 6.4018 44.1722 73.62% 4 Larry Treen 213 C Revolver 52 0 8.54 6.0890 42.0139 70.02% 5 joe justice 167 C Revolver 49 0 8.83 5.5493 38.2900 63.82% 6 robert woolley 261 C Revolver 51 0 9.43 5.4083 37.3171 62.20% 7 rudolf franz waldinger 240 A Revolver 45 10 6.56 5.3354 36.8141 61.36% 8 tom Mainus 80 C Revolver 46 0 9.20 5.0000 34.4998 57.50% Tie david j calmes 28 C Revolver 56 0 11.20 5.0000 34.4998 57.50% 10 martin clancy 190 C Revolver 53 0 10.79 4.9120 33.8926 56.49% Sorry I can't get the columns to line up on the page, but I think you all know how to read the scores ... Granted, it could be done faster and more accurately ... But then these results are truly "On Demand" shooting!

David I don't know what UPS did or didn't for you, but if your ammo is intended to be shipped by air, then by Federal Regulations (which for all intents and purposes = federal law) you have additional paperwork to do ... Honest!

All Following the lead Rob gave me, I continued to look up more information on the subject ... actually starting with the UPS web page. That lead me to the following: § 172.200 Applicability. (a) Description of hazardous materials required. Except is otherwise provided in this subpart, each person who offers a hazardous material for transportation shall describe the hazardous material on the shipping paper in the manner required by this subpart. ( This subpart does not apply to any material, other than a hazardous substance, hazardous waste or marine pollutant, that is— (1) Identified by the letter ‘‘A’’ in column 1 of the §172.101 table, except when the material is offered or intended for transportation by air; or (2) Identified by the letter ‘‘W’’ in column 1 of the § 172.101 table, except when the material is offered or intended for transportation by water; or (3) An ORM–D, except when the material is offered or intended for transportation by air. It would seem, that so long as you ship solely by ground transportation, an ORM-D does not require any special paperwork, per the above. (My apologies for the long previous post ... My experiences have been more in the arena of shipping numerous aircraft loads of equipment with hundreds of HazMats (including ammo) all over the planet ... I confes I rarely delt with one or two boxes!) Hence, I now see how D. was able to ship his ammo without filing out the forms. I shipped mine by air, and thus had no choice. Perhaps if I'd had more time for the shipment I should have considered a ground delivery! Rob ... Thanks for pointing me in another direction ... I owe you one!!!

Rob ... I don't know what you're reading in the UPS tarriffs guide, but the following information comes from 49CFR172 ... These are the Federal Regulations governing the transportation of HazMats. § 172.1 Purpose and scope. This part lists and classifies those materials which he Department has designated as hazardous materials for purposes of transportation and prescribes the requirements for shipping papers, package marking, labeling, and transport vehicle placarding applicable to the shipment and transportation of those hazardous materials. § 172.101 Purpose and use of hazardous materials table. (a) The Hazardous Materials Table in this section designates the materials listed therein as hazardous materials for the purpose of transportation of those materials. [Emphasis added.] For each listed material, the Table identifies the hazard class or specifies that the material is forbidden in transportation, and gives the proper shipping name or directs the user to the preferred proper shipping name. In addition, the Table specifies or references requirements in this subchapter pertaining to labeling, packaging, quantity limits aboard aircraft and stowage of hazardous materials aboard vessels. The table itself is way too long to cut and paste, but the proper term for what we are shipping is "Cartridges, Small Arms". (If you look up the applicable line for 'ammunition' it will refer you to cartridges, small arms.) There are two listings for this on the table. The first lists it as a 1.4S Explosive, UN0012. This is the designation which one must generally use for an international shipment. However, since all we are doing is shipping to the expiditor (Armscor) in the US, we can use the "ORM-D" designation listed further down the table. With all respect Rob, I used to do this for a living too. The fact that "ammunition" or "cartridges" are listed in the table makes them by Federal Regulation a hazardous material for transportation purposes. The penalties for sidesteping or ignoring that are potentially severe. Please don't read me wrong ... All I'm trying to do here is to present factual information and quote the source from where I got it. Cheers

Did they require you to fill out a "Dangerous Goods Declaration" form? If not, I'm surprised ...

Unless I'm mistaken, an escalator does not meet ADA standards. (Try using one in a wheel chair!)

Based on the above, I'd say lucky ... Some idiot clerk behind the counter at UPS didn't know enough to even recognize what he was dealing with. In any case ... just for giggles, go to their web site and type in Hazardous Goods in the search block, then read what all you find. After that, look up the new federal regulations regarding the training required ... I'm getting a little concerned. Cheers

Erik You're lucky or crafty ... maybe both. What I found on Big Brown's web page under Hazardous Goods said they will only accept HazMat shippments from clients with contracts for that type of service and they will not accept them from individuals or at the routine "UPS Stores". I prefer to use FedEx ... Even so, some interesting (?) new regulations went into effect 1 Jan 05. If they start enforcing them, we're all going to have some problems!

Someone tries to do something positive, and this is how he's greeted ... Damnation. It's no wonder so few are willing to put forth any effort to improve this organization. Gary ... Whether this venture succeeds or fails, I thank you for your time and effort. The rest of you can ... damn, they'll probably pull the post if I keep typing. I'll leave it to your imaginations ... if you have any.

Damn ... Without a "light rail" mount, where the heck am I going to put my BAYONET?

I don't believe so ... at least not directly. I believe he made his tapes before Dave Skinner came out with the TruBor. Personally, I have 2 small blow holes on the top of my barrel just befor the comp ... I tried one of the stock STI GM guns before I ordered it and decided I wanted more muzzle control. I am intreged on the comments about JB's enlarging of the first port on one side ... I'll have to look into that.

I'm not sure I'd want to go THERE, Jim. Remember all the hoopla over the PD approved list on the IPSC GV? I'd say keep it any 1911 SS Limited gun (sort of a subset of limited) and let it go at that ... Much easier to police! Also ... Keep in mind that if we don't specify SS, that TECHNICALLY the S_I guns are all 1911 by design despite their 2011 designation. The ONLY functional difference is the FAT grip which allows for a double stack mag.

Guys .. Please ... Reread the original post. I'll answer points below: I admited in the original post that I might have been wrong ... I inspected the target and found only one hole (as did my Czech RO.) Afterwards, we pulled the target and turned it over to the RM. Absolutely correct ... in addition, the shooter may have fired additional shots at some point in the course, or the timer could have picked up an echo at some point. About the only thing you can rely on the timer for is the last shot ... and even then, the RO needs to be confident that what the timer shows IS the last shot. Not entirely true ... Although this was CS, ROs are routinely required to count shots in FT or VC stages ... After a time, it becomes second nature. As noted in the original post, I did inspect the target before making my call as the CRO ... There was only ONE hole. When he insisted it was a double, I informed him he only fired one round at it. We pulled the target and the IROA RM concured (after VERY careful examination) that there was no evidence of two hits. One thing not mentioned in the original post ... This was the 400th+ shooter we had run on this COF. No, we were not getting complacient or tired ... well, not too tired! But after several hundred shooters you get to know the course of fire VERY well. You ear is very quick to recognize the difference between a double - double - single - single and a double - single - single - single. For the record ... after it was over and the RM scored, I overheard a couple of his squadmates telling him the same thing we had ... He only fired one round at it. I promise he was fairly scored. I know the RM ... While the extent he went to in reviewing the target was a bit of a dog-and-pony show, I PROMISE that if he had seen evidence of a double he would not have hesitated to overturn my call!

As everyone else has said ... Count! But do it with style ... Scare the hell out of the RO. Scream your count at the top of your lungs as you go. 1 .. 2 .. 3 .. 4 .. 5 He may think you're crazy, but I'll bet you don't screw and and shoot 4 or 6. In any case, you haven't done anything unsafe or unsportsmenlike ... You may get a few laughs, and I'll even bet your hits and times will be respectible. Just don't let anyone know you're going to do it in advance ... It spoils the effect!

One of the better screw-ups I've witnessed occured at the 2004 European Championships last August ... I was the CRO but running the clipboard for this squad ... my RO was on the timer. The final target array in the COF was Paper - Paper - Steel - Steel (as most folks shot it.) The shooter in question shot it something like this: Bang(p) Bang(p) ... Bang(p) ... Bang(s) ... Bang(s) ......... He stood looking at his targets for a short period, then looked at the RO. The RO looked at me, I shrugged my shoulders ... The RO waited a couple of seconds while the shooter looked at him then the RO finally says "IF you are finished ..." You know, the words are official, but the tone is intended to politely cue the shooter? Well, the shooter unloads, shows clear, etc. We go to score the targets and on the second paper target the call is Charlie Mike. The shooter is not happy with this. He claims it's a double. The RO explains calmly that he only shot one round at it ... Charlie Mike. The shooter is not satisfied. He wants the CRO (me) to review it. I double check the target just to be sure there is no other hole on it ... I examine the one hole I see to see if it might be a double ... After all, I could have made a mistake. I concured in the call ... Charlie Mike. I also informed him he only fired one round at it. The shooter was still not happy ... he wanted the RM. We pulled the target and proceded to score the rest of the stage. While waiting for the RM we went ahead and ran the next shooter. The RM arrives and both the RO and I explain what we saw and what we called. (We were both in agreement.) The shooter insisted it was a double. The RM smiled and took out his overlay. He examined the target and the hole, then placed the overlay over the hole. He held it at different angles to the sun to get a good view of the hole. He took out a second overlay and placed it over the first ... then repeated the process of looking at the target. Finally he pulled out a magnifying lupe, placed it over the overlay and the hole and examined the hit under magnification. While all this was going on, we ran another shooter. After this was all done, the RM called me and the shooter over and announced his finding ... Charlie Mike. The shooter was still not what I would call pleased, but he thanked the RM and accepted the call. I learned two things in this process: one as a shooter, the other as an official. As an Official - RMs have a difficult job. They are frequently called in to sooth the feathers of someone who just screwed up, adversly affecting their score. They're excited, they paid a lot of money to be there, and they just want a better score. I could tell by the RM's look at me when he first saw the target what the call was going to be ... By this point in time I'd been working with him for about 10 days (counting the pre-match and the main match.) Nevertheless, he cheerfully went through this big dog-and-pony show ... for what? I didn't have to ask him. The look on his face said it all. He knew the shooter was frustrated. He also knew the best way to make him feel better and accept the call was to go through all of this and give him his money's worth. This was a lesson worth learning ... I always knew it, but this was just so well executed. As a Shooter - If you're going to claim it's a double, be damned sure you fired 2 rounds at the target to start with!