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My Tac Sport. Mile long list of work. All done myself. Has the comp hammer on it now too. Frame is Cerakoted Gunmetal Grey.

Where'd you get your barrel done? Been wanting to do mine this winter but I don't have a local Ti coater.

So jealous. I am in love with my TS (I'm about 8 or 9k rounds through it) but I REALLY want to shoot open in 2016... so a Czechmate may be in my future. I assume you like yours? With all the stuff I have seen (and read) about STI's it's literally insane to me that more people aren't running CZ's. Their loss!

Man, looks great. I had a hell of a time finding people that had put a thumb rest on their TS, and now they are popping up like crazy. I've seen this one twice, which thumb rest is this? I'm running an IPSC Alex and this looks like it may be a better fit. Great job on your TS!

I'm going to check these out, thanks! Nice to see some more aftermarket TS stuff.

Pat B., seriously take a close look at the CZ 75 Tactical Sport.

I'm with you kneelingatlas. I just had a friend buy an STI Edge at the beginning of November and it doesn't run worth a crap. He had the ejection tuned by a local guy who knows 2011's and bought $400 in mags that supposedly don't require "tuning". Ran better, but not 100%. So he called STI and they (according to my friend) casually asked if it was a .40, and when he confirmed it was, they told him "Oh yeah, we'll need to do some more CNC work to it. Just follow the warranty stuff online and send it in, should have it back to you in a couple months." My buddy is understandably furious. This just re-affirms everything I've heard and witnessed about STI's. For $2200 or more, a gun better run like a sewing machine out of the box in my opinion. I've heard that even buying a Trubor open gun requires a lot of fussing to get to run correctly. How is this possibly acceptable to comsumers?! Nevermind the quality control issues seen in this thread! I just don't get it. When I was shopping for a new limited gun last April, I was able to try a CZ Tactical Sport. It blew my mind, and in comparison to the STI's I had shot (that ran fine, after much tinkering) I still liked the CZ. For $1300 retail you get a comparably good gun to a 2011 except for one major fundamental difference.... it runs as reliably as any "duty" pistol without any tuning (nevermind the better value, 3 mags, etc). I'm over 8k rounds through mine and the only issues I ever had were due to tyring to use a frame buffer for a short time (learned my lesson there) and when the lighter-than-stock 13lb main spring I installed when I first got the gun (it didn't need it, not sure why I thought it was a good idea at the time when the gun has a sub 2lb trigger stock) started to wear out around 7k rounds and I had a couple light strikes. Replaced with a new main spring and back to 100% reliability. With performance like that, I simply don't get why more people don't try Tanfo's or CZ's. From what I understand the CZ 75 platform is to Europe as the 1911 style is to the Americas. Well, I'm not opposed to going with a "euro style" gun when it seems to work so much better.

Man, thanks for all the info so fast. Kinda bummed the only person who seems to have actually purchased one and tried it hasn't worked up the right loads to get it to run yet, but that sounds like the story here. Awesome gun, but too many ports in the barrel to really work up loads in 9mm easily... and regardless of the number of mags, still a good deal. I'm still hoping someone with the gun in 9mm and a first-hand experience with it will pop up here, but this is a good start. OR... just make the switch to 38 Super and get used to scrounging for my brass at every match. I'm not too interested in the custom route, because I would prefer the purpose-built-from-the-factory route (I do my own gunsmithing, but I am crazy busy) so I'm not too interested in going full custom. Plus, I have this old-fashioned perception that if you buy a factory gun, it should run out of the box (which pretty much eliminates any STI) I found an EGD 3 port compensator (http://www.ericgrauffelonlineshop.com/en/34-compensators) and I wonder if there is any reason you couldn't thread that on on the non-ported 9mm barrel that comes with the Gold Custom... thoughts?

"In the pistol case there are the cleaning set, the recoil spring set ( N° 2 recoil springs), N° 2 spare magazines with aluminum pad, one 170mm magazine and the cleaning kit." http://www.tanfoglio.it/eng/catalogo/sport-amp-competition/gold-custom-eric-2007.html

Garmil,Every listing I've found for the Witness Gold Custom including from my local dealer (I haven't seen a "gold team" listed anywhere) shows it coming with 2 (or 3 in a couple cases) mags and a big stick. Like I said, I researched the hell out of stuff. The fact it comes with the same mag selection as the Czechmate is part of the appeal. Even if it didn't it would still be a deal. The Tanfoglio site says it comes with 2 regular mags and a 170mm mag. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

HELP! I am shopping for an open gun for next season and I had my heart set on a 9mm Czechmate for a long time. I currently run a CZ Tactical Sport (that I've done a lot of work to) and I absolutely love it. Runs like a sewing machine, and every time I see people fussing with their 2011's I think "You know what will fix that? A CZ." I've heard good things about Tanfoglio's and asked for some prices on their open guns from my local shop. I have a lot of base knowledge about the CZ 75 platform, and understand the Tanfoglio's are kind of an "upper class" CZ... but I had no idea that Tanfoglio had a base open gun with 3 mags and a big stick that you can find for about $1600-$2000. The Witness Gold Custom. I do a ton of research on things, and everything I've read on here seems to point to it being great... in 38 super. I'd like to go 9mm. However, most of the posts here that talk about the gun needing work in 9mm is very old, like 5+ years. Has ANYONE out there bought a Witness Gold Custom in 9mm in the last year or two, and does it run?! I don't need the arguments of why 38 super is better, I get it. I just need someone with direct experience with this gun in 9mm to share their personal experience. Thanks in advance for the help!! -Scott

Did a frame reduction recently and just got the frame back from Cerakoting. Went with "Gunmetal Grey"... similar to the stock color, but a little darker, little more matte, and MUCH more durable. Very happy. Got it all back together and I LOVE the new trigger. Here are some pics:

Would you mill the slide, for weight reduction, could look and be very cool You don't want this. You are better off buying a stock TS and upgrading it. I have met several owners of these, and they ALL had to send them back because of ejection issues. They apparently run good after they got them back months and months later, but spending that kind of money on a gun that doesn't run like clockwork is insane.

I got mine in April of 2015. I'm over 8,000 rounds through the barrel without using the stupid buffers they ship the gun with, with no discernable damage to the frame or slide beyond usual wear and tear. There is no reason to think this gun "won't last" or will suffer a catastrophic failure. I would likely replace a barrel after 20k rounds just for general maintenance, but not because I'd be worried in the slightest about the gun "wearing out".

I wish! Haha, my gun is essentially an Orange now anyways, but I had to do all the extra work myself (including drilling and tapping the holes to mount a thumb rest). I'll bet that Orange is going to be RAD!

Compared to the stock trigger, it's about 1/8" further forward at the top (near the pivot) and about 1/3" at the tip if the trigger. This was perfect for me... a substantial move forward, but not so far as to change the feel or make it awkward. It's exactly what I wanted. I'll take some side by side pics for you to compare.

So I couldn't find ANY info on the internet on this topic, so I'm beginning a new thread. I own a CZ 75 Tactical Sport and do all my own gunsmithing. I've done a lot of work to my gun, all of it myself. I'll attach a list at the bottom of this page. As many of you probably know, through CZ USA and CZ Custom (http://czcustom.com/CZ75SAOTrigger.aspx), you can buy a flat-blade trigger for the Tactical Sport. Pretty cool, right? Well, for dudes like me with monster hands (and/or long fingers) that trigger sits so far back in the trigger guard that my trigger finger looks like a pirate hook to get the pad of my finger tip on the trigger for the perfect "press". It had a great feel, but I can't manipulate the trigger fast enough with my finger shaped like a booger-hook, so I went searching elsewhere for custom triggers for the TS, and the ONLY place to get them (someone correct me if I'm wrong but I scoured the interwebs looking) is on the CZ UB website. For those that don't know, the CZ corporation can be broken down into three divisions that sell stuff (in regards to competition pistols): CZ UB - (Uhersky Brod) - The CZ mothership in the Czech Republic, where all the cool but hard-to-find stuff comes from. (Like the Tactical Sport Orange) CZ USA - (Kansas, USA) - The CZ distributor for the US. They import from the CZ mothership, and sell much of what CZ UB sells, but not ALL of it (or it's hard to get). CZ Custom - (Arizona, USA) - The "Custom Shop" for CZ. They do business as "Ghost Products". This shop is run by Angus Hobdell, a Grand Master and team CZ shooter and know-it-all (in a very good way). They sell much of what CZ USA/UB sells, plus many products in-house that you can ONLY get there. I've navigated this maze for many months now as I built up my Tactical Sport. So with this topic of "what comes from where" covered, the rest of this will make more sense. CZ UB's online shop sells some really cool stuff, that is ONLY available through their online shop. This includes the custom triggers I'm going to discuss. So they make several different trigger "shoes" (just the trigger itself, that doesn't affect pull weight, etc.) that are apparently designed for different hand sizes and purposes. This is RAD. STI/SVI 2011's are about the only other pistols I know of that you can find triggers designed for different ergonomics. The problem is, you have to order them through the international CZ UB site, and shipping is expensive, and more importantly (for me) was how long it would take to get to me, would the trigger get through customs, etc. Well, I jumped through the hoops and bought one, and holy crap is it worth it. So with that said, here is a link to the shop where these can be found: http://www.shop-cz.com/sporting-parts-ipsc/c-1204/ Here's what they offer, all in a variety of colors: ^This is CZ UB's Straight Trigger. Slightly Different than the one CZ Custom sells. ^This is CZ UB's "Target" Trigger. Has slightly more curve than the factory Tactical Sport trigger. ^This is CZ UB's Aluminum Trigger that is identical in shape to the stock TS trigger, just aluminum rather than polymer. ^This is the "small hands" trigger. It moves the curve of the trigger very far back in the trigger guard, so it's easily reachable for small hands. ^This is the "large hands/long finger" trigger. It has a shape like the target trigger, but moved forward to INCREASE the reach to the trigger, so that the aformentioned "booger hook" isn't an issue, and someone with longer fingers can comfortably use the pad of the finger to manipulate the trigger... like you SHOULD be doing. At the current exchange rate, these come out to about $25! Totally a deal in my book, despite paying for added shipping costs. So I went through the purchase process to get the long finger trigger, and wanted to share my experience so if anyone else out there has considered the same thing but wasn't sure about it, they could at least use my experience to know if it's worth it. So here's what I did: I went to the site, and created an account (which you must do first). I then added the trigger to the cart, and began checking out like you would at any other online shop. I used Google to check what the total was going to come out to before I placed my order. I selected "Worldwide Express" shipping, that was about $50. Considering this is the ONLY place to get these, I was willing to pay this for the trigger. The checkout process asks for everything but payment info when you "confirm" your order. In total, it came in at about $80 shipped. I immediately got an email asking for payment info through a secure online payment site. I entered all the info and hit "confirm". Several hours later (I assumed when they opened up shop on the other side of the world) I got an email confirming everything, and offering a cheaper shipping option. I replied that I did want the express shipping (assuming it would still take weeks). I got a final confirmation email, including a DHL confirmation number. This was on Wednesday, October 7th. To my astonishment, the expensive shipping I paid for was VERY fast. The trigger was at my door on Monday, October 12th. It installed into the gun perfectly. Holy crap was it worth it. It acheived exactly what I was after. In my personal opinion, it was absolutely worth the $50 shipping cost on top of the relatively cheap $25 cost of the trigger. The ONLY thing I would have done different would be to throw a few more things in the shopping cart to get the most of my $50 shipping cost. There you have it. Whether you were aware of their custom triggers or not, or knew of them but weren't sure about ordering from an international online shop, it was painless and the result was great, especially if you consider biting the bullet for $50 shipping worth it to ensure your expensive pistol has the perfect trigger for you in it. Considering my CZ 75 Tactical Sport is worth well over $2,000 at this point, it did not seem too crazy to me to spend $80 on a trigger that "fits" me perfectly... especially since there is only one place to get it. I'll get some pics posted of the finished gun soon, but for now, here's a phone pic of the trigger after I got it out of the packaging.

A thrown brick would be best, the carry optics divison is just the result of an effort by S&W and Glock to sell the new M.O.S. and C.O.R.E. guns. They need a "tactical open" division that allows virtually anything on a polymer framed or compact pistol with drop-leg holsters, etc. Would make more sense than a compact-production, optics-ready division

I'm using a CR Speed WSM II holster. Love it. I'm using the C-More hole pattern, which allows you to try several different thumb rests, as most of them use that hole pattern. I think it's .375" center to center on the holes.

Check out my post in the thread on thumb rests. I did all the drilling, tapping, etc. myself.

I'd love to know why anyone thinks the TS trigger needs to be any lighter. It's 1lb, 10oz by the time it breaks in, that's lighter than most hunting rifles. I emailed back in forth with CZ Custom about whether or not it's worth doing the comp hammer in a TS and he told me that I *might* be able to notice a difference, but the factory hammer is designed to be essentially the same thing... so it's probably a wash anyway. So why fuss with a totally different hammer when the trigger in this gun is so ungodly good anyways?

I didn't acutally use the "jig". I used calipers (and a lot of precision) to mark the hole locations. It took a LOT of patience and extreme attention to detail. Unless you are very, VERY handy with tools, machining, etc., I would not recommend trying it yourself. That said, if you invested in the $75 jig that CZ Custom sells, it would certainly make it much easier and would probably make DIY much easier.

WAY better. Better indexing on your grip (easily return to the exact same grip every time, when drawing, after reloads, ect.) and you can literally drive the front sight back on target much more effectively. I think it has absolutely helped my shooting.

Yes. I drilled and tapped my own holes in a C-More mounting pattern so I could try several types. Here is how it turned out:

More pics.