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With the .360/.300 combo I also see a bit of space under the sight body, but it doesn't hurt anything and has never come loose. But with a .360/.250 combo I split a base nut trying to get the darn thing low enough to work.

On my 5" 625 it needs a .360 Rear & a .300 Front. Tried a .250 Front and it shot just a bit too high still, when bottomed out. On my 4: M29 I use the .360 Rear & a .300 Front also, but I seem to remember the .250 Front was usable. Problem is the .312 Rear Millet, or whichever the shortest one is, sacrifices notch depth to shorten the overall sight. The tallest Millet, the .410 uses the same notch depth and has a taller body. The .360 is the one to get and if needed put a taller Front Sight on.

Use a Blade Tech for a 5" or shorter. I'm using a DOH that I cut away the top of the front portion of the holster. Doesn't hurt retention and doesn't catch the barrel when I get lazy and don't raise the gun up enough. My draw times show no difference between the two either. And it's a lot cheaper than a CR. Heck you can get a Blade Tech DOH Hoslter, Good Belt and a 5 post North Mountain Moon Clip Carrier for the price of a CR Speed Holster!

Actually there is a difference, but it may have been a bad produciton run so who knows. I've found that the SBC stuff isn't real good, but the worst was a batch of Federal Top Brass. I actually ruined 2 moon clips trying to get 6 of those things in. They had a thicker web and after 3 were in the clips it got progressively harder to insert the rounds. As long as you don't use all of that Top Brass stuff a few won't hurt. Many years ago RP brass would actually stretch and not retain case tension as well as WW in a .45, In a Super it was reversed. I have a tendency to use all RP brass in the .45 now, cause I got a good buy on a couple of m's, for matches just so the velocity is more consistent. It's all pretty close in use too. Mixed stuff will have a tendency to give wider velocity swings, so just don't try to cut it too close to the PF.

Full-lug is the way to go............ 5" 625 45acp What I'm trying to say I guess is I definitely wouldn't spend any extra for a PC 625 with a half lug. Don't buy the BS that they are better, tuned or have forged parts. They aren't any better than a stock 625.

You might have bigger problems. If the Revo Grip got hot enough from your loads, you may be looking at a frame failure down the road. I've shot a lot with a 625, to the point where the cylinder & topstrap is too hot to touch. I found some powders do this quicker, Tightgroup seems bad Clays doesn't heat up near as much. I've also shot a m28 with full magnum loads to where it got hot, didn't take near as much as the .45 either. But never did it get hot at the grip frame. You might experiment with different powder/bullet combo's to get a bit cooler running ammo. Or, if you can, move up in caliber? I know you Pin Guys really pump up the PF! Also if you're using really high PF, 190+ wood grips can beat the heck out of your thumb. Or you can get 2 pairs and swap them out after the gun starts getting hot.

From what I understand in Production Revolvers you don't want to remove any "Safety Devices". Such as the Transfer Bar and/or the Safety Lock, if it has one.

Switch between an STI .40 loaded down to an old 1911 in .45acp. Not much difference between the two as for speed. The STI is easier to get good, smooth reloads with, but won't lock back. The .45 seems to track a bit smoother and locks back. Will be using the .45 at the Area III in L10.

pskys2. In my current condition it will be more of a fast step waddle. Shhhh... but don't tell no one... I 've been practicing my reloads....Shhh remember ...no one... Later rdd Yep, it's in the vault. Won't tell a soul. Never hear it from me! Hope it's nothing serious though.

Not surprising when one of their rules on course design is to limit shots on courses to 6 per position. They do this to deliberately nullify the advantage of an 8 shot. Why it won't work in IPSC, can you imagine telling a bunch of IPSC'ers they can only have 6 shots/position. I for one would find that not much fun. pskys2, it does not state that there can only be 6 shots per position it only says that it must be 6 shot neutral. Granted the easyway out would be the 6 shot per position but you can make it 6 shot neutral by allowing the 7 and 8 th shot if you make the shots available a little harder and make it visible and easier from another position and other targets available from that same position. As in IPSC it all comes down to stage design. Then only thing is to keep away from the 8 shot arrays available from one position only. 9 shot arrays are the best of both worlds and a 10 work well also. ICORE = Revo IPSC with a higher emphasis on accuarcy, and the edge is a lot narrower. later rdd I knew as soon as I wrote it that it was not technicaly correct, but as you said it is the intent to level the playing field. And it is a good plan in ICORE. But it still highlights one of the problems with a change in the USPSA Rules. I know USPSA has also have made various round count limitiations per position, but it is not strictly adhered to even at some of the bigger matches. As in ICORE they usually have multiple positions to shoot targets as seen, but the results are not always fair to all and are part of the issues which have led to the different Divisions we now see in USPSA. As Mike said one of the draws of USPSA Revolver is it's pureness, it's placement on skill rather than equipment. Production (and of course L10) limits competitors to 10 rounds, Single Stack to 8 or 9 which is an attempt to go back to the freewheeling times of days past. But in Single Stack a great reload can break under a second, a good one 1.2 but a Revolver will usually add a whole second, or more, to what a specific competitor can do. The difference between the two is pretty drastic though. Just as Production is seen as a level playing field due to it's limitations on Equipment Modifications, Revolver has the limits on Rounds. I fear a change would actually start driving away competitors, both new and existing, due to them not wanting to begin that race. I know it would bring in a few, but at what cost? BTW are you going to give Cliff a run for Speedloader Champion Title in Memphis?

As I have always said, it would depend on stage design at any particular match. On the other hand, not only would I not want to lose because of an "equipment race", I also wouldn't want to win because of one either. That's part of my attraction to Revo, we're all pretty much shooting the same equipment. As it stands right now, if you beat me, we both know it's because you outperformed me, not because you have some trick gun. I heartily agree. And oddly enough when I analyzed the posted stages for the IRC where 8 shot guns are allowed, there were only 3 stages that weren't limited shots with all 6 shot arrays, and I don't recally any with >6 shot positions. So providing you don't miss or click, there's no disadvantage to shooting 6 in ICORE usually, as opposed to how it would be in USPSA. H. Not surprising when one of their rules on course design is to limit shots on courses to 6 per position. They do this to deliberately nullify the advantage of an 8 shot. Why it won't work in IPSC, can you imagine telling a bunch of IPSC'ers they can only have 6 shots/position. I for one would find that not much fun.

If you want a Category in Revolver I'd look at a "Speedloader" Category like Hop-a-long does in Memphis. Seems to me it's best to concentrate on selling the simplicity/challenge aspect of Revovler Division as the best way to approach it. My .02 worth is changing anything will just decrease interest, but then again to play devils advocate opening up the major/minor 6 vs 8 shot idea would open the Division up to an equipment race. The unintended drawback will be some with gamier inclinations will be drawn in and that can lead to a whole rash of problems we don't have in Revo at this time, and I'd not like to see it start.

Shooting an 7/8 shot in USPSA just gives you an extra shot in case you don't light one off. The down side is you have to be religious in your counting of shots, The penalty is huge! Futher being that the major time use in Revo is the reload, I'd wager that if Minor 8 was allowed it would quickly end up being the firearm of choice. So how is that fair to all the 6, or even 7, shot Revos? The serious USPSA Revo's all have their rigs, gear, guns, etc the newbies may have a 7 or 8 shot, but not much else invested and they can play with that on a local level without much complaints. I've shot some ICORE with my 625, but it's a game that allows the 8 shooters and even though they attempt to equalize the courses, which removes a lot of fun, it still has become a game to use an 8 shot Revo if you are serious. I once thought of it as a viable option, but now think it is just a waste of effort. The current rules are simple and fair. Let's just use them. Dave

Not 8 shot moonclips are they? Happy Bday, Dave Thanks guys. Cliffs right it's 9x6! Why next year I can even compete as a Senior, AGAIN! Being such a force and all USPSA raised the Senior age the year After I attained it. Watch out now though, I'm even wilier and more devious now. Unless I hang with Cliff then it might be deviant I guess. Now if I can just remember where I put my shooting spectacles!

Ever tried Clays? Thinking of using it for NRA Action Pistol at a 120+PF.

I'm looking at using Clays with a 124 JHP MG bullet at about 1020f/s, for NRA Actin Pistol. So I'm curious how your load turns out.

I'm using a CR & Safarilands for my Limited guns, tell you why this is important in a bit. I was using a Safariland 002 for my 5" 625 & 4" M29, have now switched to a DOH Blade Tech. Now my draws have been pretty consistent between the 1911's & Revolvers it always depends more on my reaction to the buzzer depending on my focus that day. Once settled in I've never noticed more than a few .10's difference. This has not changed with the Blade Tech. It is just as fast, and actually seems faster, than the Safariland 002. Once I modified the front of the Blade Tech. I cut and scalloped it so the barrel doesn't drag on the holster if I get sloppy. It's also much more secure than anything but the older Safariland 007-8's, but they are of course only for Autos. I've never had a CR drop a gun, but it always feels like it's going to. Unless you start using a 6" barreled Revo I'd stick with a Blade Tech, and if you do get one that long the Blade Tech's are cheap enough you could whack a way on one to try and make it fit. While most of us aren't in the class of say a Dr. Dremel, it still not hard to do.

Most of the Revolver Barrels I've had, and seen, had a slight ring at the frame threads, kind of a step down look. I've never noticed that it hurt anything, nor do they seem to lead any worse. If the ring looks like the inside of a bubble forward of the frame threads, it may have had a squib in another life. If it shoots accurately (if it doesn't there are probably other reasons though), doesn't lead abnormally there and your velocity is where you expect I'd not worry about it and enjoy the game.

I have a PC 625 5" as you describe. Not impressed. If you're shooting IPSC I'd go with a standard 5". Notice no difference in accuracy or velocity over a standard 5". Cylinders still subject to peening. I actually chose this type because: 1) I wanted the advantage of the shorter lighter cylinder, which I don't see in accuracy, speed or velocity. 2) I like a lighter gun forward for decreased transition times. I do think it's slightly there, but not worth the extra price, and I'm not sure anyone under a High GM, not me, can utilize it.

Friday starts at 8:00am and goes til 4:30pm or so Saturday am starts at 8:00am til 12:00 Saturday pm starts at 12:30 til about 4:30 Sundays usually run 3 hours instead of 4 If you are new remember that the awards/prize table (you will have an opportunity to go to the table regardless of success) are on Sunday after the match. So you may want to be there anyway. Friday is a long grueling day, if the weather is good it's doable, if it's bad it's pure torture in the latter stages. Unless work, time or money is a major concern you would be better served going the 2 day route. Oh and bring plenty of water & snacks regardless of days.

The fact must be faced that with a Revo you will be making static reloads. You can plan your movements based on picking up targets at different positions, which will help. But it can get confusing, and some courses are real memory tests as it is. When faced with that issue, Keep It Simple and don't get lost. As for long range shots, you need to know your times to take a 25+ yd shot vs a 5 or 10 yard shot and know your reloading times. Sometimes it is worth the long shot and others it's not. It's a balance of speed and accuracy after all and a 30 yd miss without a reload isn't always better than a 3 second reload and an "A". That's part of what the appeal, and what repels others, in Revo. You actually have to start looking harder at courses, kind of what the M & GM's do as a normal part of their course prep in any of the Divisions. Also remember everyone in Revo is limited to that 6 shot standard, makes it a bit easier to take when you know everyone else is doing it. I've also yet found a Revo Competitor that wouldn't gladly offer advice on the better way to attack a course.

I had a gunsmith recommend #4 Steel Wool wrapped around a bore brush for leaded barrels, might do for bad cases of cylinder leading. I've found the solvent can make a big difference. The best I've found is Kroil or Butchs Bore Shine. Another option for a Stainless Cylinder is cut a square of the Silcone Impregnated Cleaning Cloths and run it thru a few times.

Matt, it's probably not the firing pin bushing, it's probably wear to the center-pin hole in the frame, which is allowing the cylinder to be pushed a little bit sideways by the hand as the hammer falls and causing the off-center hits. Anyway, firing pin bushings are easy enough to replace. Maybe I'm misspeaking, I'm talking about the hole in the frame where the hammer nose pokes through, it seems to be a detachable bushing, although damned if I can see the pin that holds it in place. Mine looks like it has slightly deformed at the bottom, where the hammer nose lands and is guided in the channel. H. The FP Bushing is a Press Fit. I had a M29 done by S&W and they sent it back COCKED! They remedied their screw up, but jeez. If it burrs you can dress it with a stone to smooth it down, I wouldn't worry unless you started getting primers flowing into it and tying up the action. As for the Apex FP the 2 I have just dropped in, so did all of the C&S FP's I've used, but I've heard you sometimes need to adjust them with a file. I would not make it a habit of dry firing without snap caps or empty cases, no matter who's FP you're using.

If a tour of Hornady is available on Saturday AM, I'd probably have 4 of us who might go. Won't make a Friday tour.

Anyone have prices, ratings on the 3 Hotels? Special Rates for Area 3 on any of them?