Carmoney

About time! Congratulations there, RDD!

Here's one of my favorite revolvers, a custom 25-2 from the magical hands of the late great John Nowlin himself:

Have any of you considered the possibility that the process of switching to a different sight, regardless of which direction you're switching, has the effect of making you shoot better (at least temporarily) because you tend to look more closely at the sight, noticing that difference?? This is actually a trick of Jerry Miculek's. He's been known to switch to a different front sight (for example, from his trademark gold bead to a green fiber optic) right before a big match, knowing the difference will enhance his focus on the front sight a bit.

I've shot Production a couple times with an 8-shot revolver, and it's not bad at all if you reload Spook/Dan style. You just need to remember to reach for the moonclips over at the side of your body (behind the hipbone), instead of directly in front.

Interesting that this call for more civility should come from a poster who has openly called this entire forum "hateful" and a moderator who has referred to a plating company by name and said, "I despite the ground those people walk on." Interesting.

Good. Glad to know some IDPA matches are run safely. It's pretty iffy around this area.

This is a DQ?? At the IDPA matches I've attended, they would just say "muzzle."

Luke, is that a top-break revolver you're holding in your avatar photo?

There are lots of things that can happen, that's for sure. I do feel bad for him.

You're kidding, but I actually wondered the same thing.......how can you hold onto the gun so loosely that it goes flying when you bump a windowsill? Didn't TGO have a training point where he would have students take a grip on the gun, then he would walk up and yank the gun out of their hands to show them they weren't hanging on hard enough? MV obviously knows what he's doing, but shooting successfully in Open must be very different that shooting successfully in Revolver. We hang on to those wheelguns hard.

Good point Sam. My son is in his third year of shooting revolvers in competition. This is what he's shot: Year 1 (age 11): S&W Model 10, minor loads Year 2 (age 12): S&W Model 646, minor loads Year 3 (age 13): S&W Model 25-2, major loads This progression has worked well for him.

I do. Shot it last weekend at the Iowa Revolver Champs, in fact, just for fun! It shot great, but the reloads were definitely way slower for a whole variety of reasons. It WAS a great IDPA gun until they changed the rules. It's not real friendly to shoot on an extended basis with 165+ p.f. ammo. With minor power stuff, it's very pleasant. Cool carry gun, though.

<--------- use one of these devices right here. Few things in life are better than winning a match with a beater gun like that!! That's my Nemo.

Houngan, I think you gave your friend excellent advice. Good job.

Well, now hold on, Nemo. The 625 has always been fine with lead bullets. The 25-2 was always notorious for not being accurate with cast lead. Something about the chamber dimensions, the chamber throats, or the rifling. All I know is that most (perhaps not all) 25-2s will not properly stabilize lead, and you get all sorts of keyholing, etc. Very well-documented, very well-known "back in the day." Written up in magazine articles, etc. When the 625-2 was first introduced back in '88, we noticed three things right away: (1) they shot fine with lead bullets (that's good!), (2) the chambers were so tight the frickin' moonclips didn't want to go in right (that's bad!), and (3) most of them had bad DA trigger pulls that couldn't be fixed without yanking out the "floating hand" (that's bad, too!). All in all, pretty disappointing. But--to my surprise and to S&W's credit--almost immediately they fixed the two problem areas, the Model of 1989 was born, and everything has been fine since. There may be individual specimens of the 25-2 that are fine with lead. You have to expect that lead will not stabilize well in an unknown 25-2, though, until and unless proven differently.

I'm a big believer in Wilson 8-rounders. Properly-maintained, they are the holy grail of .45 magazines. I use Shooting Star 10-rounders in my .38 Super single stack. The Mec-Gars are fine, but will not work properly with some magwells due to the basepad design. By the way, at the Steel Challenge in '04, there was a vendor with a whole box full of what looked to be ACT mags marged "NOVAK" for $10 each!!

About this time last year, I went looking for a .38 Super 1911 to use occasionally in Single Stack division. I found a new Kimber Team Match .38 Super at a gun show and worked a trade deal on a shotgun I wasn't using anymore. I figured I would need to do some work on the gun to make it want I needed for competition, but have been very pleasantly surprised at how well it functions and shoots from day one, in stock condition. The only thing I have done is change the springs. With a 17# mainspring and a properly adjusted sear spring, the trigger pull is now a very nice clean 2 pounds. The gun feeds every bullet shape I've tried, including a 150-gr. SWC with very sharp edges (just used that bullet successfully in the Iowa Single Stack match, in fact), using older 10-round Shooting Star mags I purchased used. It also functions perfectly with both Super and Supercomp brass, which I just use interchangeably now. As much as I love to mess with 1911s, including building several match guns up from components over the years, this Kimber doesn't need another thing done to it. I've been very pleased with the gun. My Kimber .38 Super has the internal extractor and a ramped barrel, by the way....

I hope you're right, but we have been hearing this exact same thing for years from all sorts of various manufacturers.....Tripp, Wilson, McCormick, Metalform, etc. It's always "just about ready, be in production any day now....." Let's just say I'm not holding my breath. The problem is the tapered design of the 9mm cartridge. I have a hard time believing that if a reliable 10-round 9mm single-stack mag could be made, that it hasn't been done long before now. Sorry to sound cynical and pessimistic. I hope I'm wrong!

God I love this forum......I get so little positive reinforcement in real life.......

Carmoney is right. Make your life easier and stick with plated or jacketed bullets. They'll be accurate and won't smoke. Carmoney is right.

In our market, you'd be looking somewhere in the range of $175 to $250.

Final corrected results, including stage results, are now posted at http://www.ioweb.com/oops/ Thanks again to everyone who participated in this great event!

Here are the final scores, as posted to the website. Note a few corrections were made to fix mistakes that were not caught on match day. (We had Cliff, Dave M., and Chad incorrectly listed as major, when they were actually shooting minor.) None of these affected the awarding of plaques and medals. Full stats, including stage results, can be viewed at http://www.ioweb.com/oops/ Iowa Revolver Match Date: 10/8/2006 Place Name USPSA Class Division PF Lady For Age Points Stg % 1 Ulfers, Keith A38502 A Revolver Major N N 926.8696 100.00% 2 Williams, Dave L593 M Revolver Major N N Senior 868.4449 93.70% 3 Carmoney, Mike A23819 M Revolver Minor N N 830.5591 89.61% 4 Gomez, Dean A55262 C Revolver Major N N 784.1153 84.60% 5 Carmoney, Sam A51792 C Revolver Major N N Junior 783.0766 84.49% 6 Klesser, Kevin L2645 B Revolver Major N N 782.7867 84.45% 7 Niner, Barney L2312 M Revolver Major N N 780.8700 84.25% 8 Walsh, Cliff L2519 GM Revolver Minor N N 776.0718 83.73% 9 McDowell, Rick L525 U Revolver Major N N 757.7860 81.76% 10 Davis, Roger A12423 B Revolver Minor N N Senior 751.5164 81.08% 11 Zeeb, Chris A55214 U Revolver Major N N 711.5471 76.77% 12 Carden, Doug A21848 U Revolver Major N N 705.1890 76.08% 13 Bills, Greg Pen U Revolver Major N N 698.0863 75.32% 14 Tappe, Jay TY4180 B Revolver Major N N 692.5443 74.72% 15 Stearns, Dwight A57448 U Revolver Minor N N Senior 689.1066 74.35% 16 Ahern, Skip A51259 B Revolver Major N N Senior 639.9900 69.05% 17 Carr, Jim A55024 C Revolver Major N N 630.8715 68.06% 18 Williams, Jim TY48644 C Revolver Major N N Senior 613.9374 66.24% 19 Garrity, Darren A56328 C Revolver Major N N 603.8357 65.15% 20 Drazy, Tom TY25357 A Revolver Minor N N 588.3274 63.47% 21 Lindstrom, Bob A16841 C Revolver Major N N Super Senior 571.1446 61.62% 22 Beebe, Brett Pen U Revolver Major N N 569.4164 61.43% 23 Elliot, Dave TY34984 C Revolver Minor N N 550.7065 59.42% 24 Seuss, Steve L2657 U Revolver Major N N 550.3353 59.38% 25 Boerre, Lasse A57511 U Revolver Major N N 525.4102 56.69% 26 Rutherford, Chad L2584 U Revolver Minor N N 520.3078 56.14% 27 Jensen, Bob A47064 U Revolver Major N N 513.3441 55.38% 28 Wade, Brad TY31876 C Revolver Major N N Senior 506.4975 54.65% 29 Hall, Byron TY45821 U Revolver Major N N 491.5206 53.03% 30 Suzuki, Riichiro A50587 D Revolver Major N N 486.4873 52.49% 31 Moss, David A48723 U Revolver Minor N N 472.3102 50.96% 32 Snyder, Jim TY39721 U Revolver Major N N 443.2640 47.82% 33 Brown, Greg A55528 U Revolver Minor N N Senior 402.0461 43.38% 34 Suiter, Bill A56522 U Revolver Major N N 400.3597 43.19% 35 Remus, Rick A41759 D Revolver Minor N N Senior 363.2324 39.19% DQed Kearney, Ronald A51422 U Revolver Major N N Super Senior 0.0000 0.00% Printed: 10/10/2006 5:09 PM Iowa Revolver Match Date: 10/8/2006 UPDATE: Official stats are now posted on the USPSA members website, under major matches. Cool, huh?

Hey mws, as long as you keep saying "Carmoney is right" you can go on being as redundant as you please! Try the .454s, they may shoot just fine. Back in the day, several of my pin-shooting buddies figured out it worked pretty well to use unsized bullets straight from the mold (yes, we cast our own), tumble-lubed with Lee Liquid Alox instead of running them through the lubri-sizer. My kid is shooting 230-gr. plated RN Rainiers through my old beater 25-2, and they shoot perfectly fine. Less expensive than true jacketed without the smoke. I'm getting to where the smoke bothers me a little in certain lighting and weather conditions... Nope, but I'll bet Hopalong would know.

Ah, this one I can answer..........almost anything jacketed should work fine. Plated bullets will probably be OK. Cast lead bullets will probably spit sideways and tumble their way in the general direction of the target. Never figured out exactly why--just the nature of the beast with a 25-2. Great rescue story -- you're going to enjoy that old heater!