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The mag release button is on the lifter??? are you maybe referring to the bolt release button screw??? Trapr

XS recommends .050 depth for the standard issue SG sight they offer, I use .075 depth and then either a small notch is filed to adjust for range or ammo requirements, or its left alone. If you use Brownells sight adjustment formula once the factory sight is sufficiently bedded, you can shoot the gun without a notch measure the correction needed and file or arrange for one of the taller sights to be used. I have only needed to use a taller rear sight (taller than std issue)on a Benelli, twice in the hundred or so I've done. One was my gun and the other belonged to a AZ shooter I believe?? The std issue sight also works well with VM, Mossberg 930, Beretta 1301, 870, and Vinci. I went with the deeper cut because .050 just didn't look lilke a lot of meat to support the sight during "vigorous" use. Trapr

we should be the applier of the lipstick, not the wearer of it trapr

Mark, I think you missed MY point, All targets can be knocked over with Cyl bore, "from the closest place available to the shooter" it may not be in the shooters best interest to shoot the target from the closest place available, they may have to get 3-7 yards closer, or 3-5 steps off to the side for a no shoot. But the target CAN be knocked over w Cyl bore, the fun in course design is trying to get people to screw in a tighter choke because of one or two targets and then be disadvantaged for the rest of the COF. As Kurt said, learn your gun and what it can do, instead of trying to get a screw in gadget to make up for your inabilities, or lack of practice. Pat, even with a no shoot if the target can safely be shot and taken over without knocking over the no shoot then that target presentation is deemed "doable w cyl bore" regardless of whether you have to "aim" off of the target to get it to fall. Kurt and I will always "calibrate" shotgun targets w cyl bore, 1oz loads, at 1200fps or so, and we always try and use "cheap" ammo. This means that the beginner that shops at wally world and buys bulk box 100rd boxes and shoots whatever shotgun they can come up with will ALWAYS have a gun/ammo combination that will work on the targets presented. Now the shooter may not be up to the challenge, but their equipment will. At the Nordic SG match, much chatter was in the air about the "heavy" metal tubes on one stage, and how "you'll need Mod or tighter to get them to fall",......BS!!! Every target fell to IC, but you had to be on the target and center your pattern on the target, or you had to get close. That stage was an excellent use of "mind phuck" if you choked down you had to go slower and aim, if you stuck with an IC/LM you had to slow down and aim, to keep your pattern centered, but with the tighter choke you could do it from further away and save steps. That was an excellent stage, whether by design or chance it was a great test of you and your equipment. All this talk about growing the sport, and trying to get new shooters interested but we want to make target presentations so difficult that you need uber special equipment to be able to get hits???????? It should always be about the shooter not the target presentation or equipment. Trapr

yes, yes it does....and it should be RedNeck Tactical Trapr

No Mark,.........Its a rule!!! its probably the first rule in the history of practical shotgunning that was made to keep the target presentation fair!!! IPSC ruleset. Its probably also the first rule to be tossed aside by those wishing to present targets how they see they should be presented, to hell with "fairness" Waaaaay Back in the old days, "practical/tactical shotguns didn't have no stinkin' chokes, you could have wide open CYL, or you could have super tight CYL. whichever you wanted as long as it was CYL. Its probably also the first "calibration" method for practical shotgunning, they also tell you what ammo to use. But hey who has time to read the rules!?!?!?!? Trapr

I think we will find a push back to grass roots and way from the TV guys in the coming years,........................ Geez I hope so Kurt. I think the TV mentality has pretty much killed good quality multigun events. trapr

the largest prize table i ever saw was, 50yds long and there was two of them. Trapr

If the match is set up "properly" all targets should break or fall with a Cyl choked gun, from the nearest possible location they can be shot from. that includes targets w no shoots. the problem is when MD's don't want to "properly" set up targets, and there seems to be quite a few of those in the last 3-5 years. On a side note, if you chose to run a more open choke ( for close range hosing) you can find yourself doing the same type of hosing when you don't have wide open targets or clays to break. this type of mental conditioning is what leads to misses when you should be making hits and hitting no shoots when you should be hitting shoot targets. Technical use of the shotgun will always beat wide open fast and loose shooting, especially when target distance increases or no shoot placement is a factor. Technical use keeps you from having to load that extra round for the miss you just incurred by shooting fast and loose. Its a shotgun but you should still AIM it!!!.........(capitals for emphasis, not yelling) Trapr

If you're looking for trace, you should place the target in the bottom of the scope, 6 o'clock. Also too much magnification on a bright sunny day can be frustrating due to magnifying mirage and narrow field of view. Too many folks max out magnification thinking they need it to see better when a bit less would be better. Also since it was his scope, you should really adjust everything to suit you, which a lot of folks are reluctant to do, but eye focus and tripod height are all individual type things.

larry send me your address I've got several in my personal stash, you can replace it when Brownells gets some. trapr

i've learned that i have way more fun hanging out with my shooting friends than I do going to matches and putting up with all the crap that has come out of "growing 3 gun" and as Kurt said, the list of matches worth attending here in the states has gotten way smaller in the last 5 years, "bigger ain't better" ..........."better is better" and like in most things, the need for more money and fame turns good people into ,.....what was that word, Sterling??? trapr

new ones are being tested now. trapr

I believe the term/phrase you're looking for is,...."couldn't care less" if your die could care less then perhaps it should, if its simply careless then i'd look for a more conscientious die!!!,.....just sayin. trapr

paloma time in the south of Tejas is mid sept. Kurt doesn't make a shirley temple cider!!! although i guess he could add grenadine to it for effect, but then it would be "Surly Temple cider" Trapr

no, no, no,.......ear elephantly impartial, yeah thats what I said. trapr

if by jerk you mean, brilliantly sarcastic then yes I agree!! Trapr

ericm, this forum is mostly about the tactically impractical, so your post is irrelevant. Trapr

someone put a bunch of topic posts out there about what it takes to put on a good match, and if you want to try and do two such matches in a year , I'm thinking they won't be good, then. putting on a major match is not a walk in the park. Trapr

a lot of the "target down fire a round at it and keep moving" has taken place over the last 10 years. I cannot recall where it started, IMGA for sure but SMM3G or RM3G???? it seems to have now been pushed to the extreme limit of, "if anything goes wrong, just keep shooting and we'll discuss it at the end of the stage" I'm sorry but thats WRONG!! (capital for emphasis not yelling). If a stage is having issues with targets not staying up and properly positioned for shooters then its the stage RO, RM, MD's problem to deal with not the shooters. The shooter should always receive the benefit of the doubt, that they are acting in good faith to be good sportsman. As KN3 stated earlier, yes there are some folks that don't play like good sportsman. Those people should #1 be DQ'd when they do it, #2 not allowed to play at that match ever again, #3 their names shared with all the other MD's so they can be kept an eye on, (MHO) I know that I have never accepted and application from anyone that I did not trust to shoot my match and behave as a true good sportsman. If they earned a reputation as being anything but good sportsman, I don't want them at my match. Trapr

Forgive me Jesse, Proper writing etiquette says capital letters are used for Emphasis, much like underlineing or italics. If I want to YELL at you I'll call you up and do it so you know I'm yelling. Maybe someone should write up a standardized set of rules for interweb fairplay,...........sorry for thread drift trapr

Oh OK jessie, so when you post something and I misread it its humor but when i post something and you misread it,....................... I'm attacking you personally. GOT IT, again HYPOCRITICAL, look it up!!!! Trapr

your last word pretty much sums up the reason for giving reshoots,..........play!! None of us are making a living at this,.......heck FB3G gave Taran 5-6 reshoots on the shootoffs against Bruce P, because of "gun malfs", excessive?????....OK, but a reasonable benefit of the doubt should always go to the shooter, no matter who the shooter is. trapr

So we're upset that a match has 40-50% pistol, and the balance split between the long guns, and referring to it as a 3 gun match,......but we're OK with a match having 90% long guns and 10% pistol?????????? someone needs to look up the definition of HYPOCRITICAL. Don't get me wrong, IMO, a 3 gun match should have an even balance between the guns, but this is what you wind up with when you give shooters OPTION targets, whoever thought this was a good idea must not have been able to see the ramifications of the decision, or was simply looking at a way to keep from having to use a gun they didn't want to practice with. Trapr

As for question #2, last year we had an identical issue. however the RM's had previously shot all the optional steel targets with both pistol and SG to determine which gun took the targets over easiest. We then used the weakest gun to calibrate targets when needed, on the stage in question we used a SG to verify the target requested, which had been shot at with a pistol. While we did this several well known shooters, top performers, former Pres's, etc. voiced thier concerns saying that it was completely unfair to use a SG to calibrate the target when it was shot with a pistol. Since they hadn't shot the stage yet, I did not tell them that we were using the weakest gun used to drop the poppers, this would have given them an advantage over the other folks that didn't now this info. So just because a SG was used to calibrate a popper doesn't mean that the wrong gun was used!!!! calibrating the popper from the closest distance available to the shooter is completely fair. Trapr