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Did you use to sell used cars?What's the standard stroke? How much do you add? What do you add, less than 10%? Physics still apply. Crash to kiss by adding 10%..... not buying it.

What team shooter?

And that's the reason only one smith in the country offers the "package" and even he only does it to less than 10% of the guns that leave his shop. This is not correct. SVI does it on their IMM's as well, IIRC. Nope. Brandon doesn't do that to his pistols. .As I said much earlier in this thread, I short stroke my Limited guns with two shock buffers. An alumabuff in front of a Wilson Shock buff. It just makes sense to me and I like the way it makes the gun feel, but I'm not a gunsmith.Thanks for clarifying, was pretty sure Brandon didn't offer it, but didn't have enough knowledge on svi's to say so.

Thanks for your help, I only counted to the top 100, and there was only 7 minors and didn't think .40 was that popular, but points still valid.

Not necessarily proof one way or the other. At SS nationals, I'd guess 90% of the shooters were shooting 230gr. At area 5, maybe 10% will. If your chrono is reading 20fps slow, that's 2.5pf for Open/Production, 3.5pf for Limited and 4.6pf for SS. Being that the standard cushion is 5pf (170pf), you can see where a slow reading chrono could really have you cutting it close at 230gr. I don't shoot SS Nationals, so I have no dog in the fight. Just think it should probably be atleast looked into, when so many shooters had issues 2 years in a row (may have actually been more than 2). From shooting in the rifle world (and through research), it's well know that chronographs aren't "right on". +/- 30fps is not unheard of in tests/reviews/comparisons that I've seen.

And that's the reason only one smith in the country offers the "package" and even he only does it to less than 10% of the guns that leave his shop. This is not correct. SVI does it on their IMM's as well, IIRC. They do it, or well do it if you ask? I have not read one thing on their website about their IMM being stroked. What does Infinity call it? I just did a couple searches, and didn't get any results.

How long have you? He makes 18 different 1911/2011 packages, and only 1 comes standard with it. "Stroking" has been around for decades. Dawson offered it at one point in his smithing days, and then stopped.....why? I love the argument that "but Lesgar uses one" what about the other top 50 limited/open shooters. Why doesn't Blake shoot one? He shoots Akai. So agian, like I stated in my last post. There's a reason the market isn't flooded with them, there's a reason only one smith does it anymore and there's a reason even he doesn't do it to most his guns.

And that's the reason only one smith in the country offers the "package" and even he only does it to less than 10% of the guns that leave his shop.

Okay I did a little leg work for you. Last year out of the 8 Area L10 Champions, only 2 attended L10 Nationals; Russ Shaver (M) and Danny Clifton (A). But Shaver won L10 at Area 4 and is an Area 2 resident (so he wouldn't qualify). So by your own match rules, last year there was only one true Area L10 Champion that showed interest in competing at a national event. If you ran the numbers for Revolver and SS and L10 for the last 3-4 years, you'd see similar results. In fact by USPSA Appendix A2 rule, there was atleast 7 times during the 2013 Area's that SS, L10 and Rev. wasn't even a recognized division. Meaning there was no Area Champ, in that division at that Area match. If you think this would be a good idea, set up the match and run it. I won't even say "I told you so" after.

That's a great idea! Then you could also give out spots to the clubs to give out to their best shooters, and to keep attendance numbers up, you could fill the spots that people turn down to people on a waiting list.......oh wait

Plus L10, Single Stack, and Revolver. Max of 64 elite competitors in an annual Invitational Championship. That's right. Elite? For limited, open and production, yes. But look back at the last 3-4 years at area winners in revolver, ss and l10. You'll see quite a few a's and b's as match winners. Now see if those shooters who won those area matches, shot nationals in that division that year. If they didnt attend the current uspsa nationals, they probably arent going to attend your match either.

So you have 8 open shooters, 8 limited shooters and 8 production shooters (if everyone attends) at a big national level III match...... Good luck putting that one together. Alot of work, money and staff, for a match with 24 shooters, especially when steogers probably still going to win production, max probably going to win open, and nils atleast the best odds to win limited.

If I remember correctly, sevigny went 164 last year with ammo from the same lot that shot 170 the week or two before at another match. Seems interesting that at ss nationals this is a common issue/complaint, but not at limited/open/production/limited 10 nationals, or any area match. If they're using the same chronographs from year to year (which a lot of times they do), they may have a slight issue with their chronos or set-ups. Just doubt its a bunch of shooters b+tching, when it seems like its just at this match.

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Wrong!

Wrong. It does not stiffen the barrel because it removes material. Any time you remove material, you remove rigidity. It would add rigidity if you ADDED the flutes, but since you start with a larger diameter barrel and REMOVE metal to creat the flutes, you have weakened it. Marginally, maybe, but it's still weaker. As for the cooling, it does cool faster but not because of surface area. It cools because at the bottom of the flute the heat has less metal to move through before it can radiate to the outside air. It still cools slower than a smaller-diameter barrel. A smaller diameter barrel would actually cool faster. Bingo!

How often? What primers? What lb main spring?

It doesn't get the point across. The FP Stop has nothing to do with the disconnector, it never touches it. It has nothing to do with the smoothness of the slide and frame coming together (this is the only thing I can think of with your slide glide/oil comment). It does though have everything to do with where on the hammer the FP stop contacts during rearward slide movement (as well contact surface). No bevel; it contacts further down the hammer (closer to the pivot point) and visa versus with the bevel. Think of it like opening a commercial hydraulic door. Try opening the door by pushing on it close to the hinges. Now try it out near the handle. The further you get away from the hinges (pivot point), the easier it is to open the door. No bevel on the FP stop, helps keep the slide/barrel locked longer and absorbs (absorbs actually the wrong word, used is more appropriate) more energy/recoil, by making it harder for the slide to move rearward. It's similar to running a heavier main spring, but is just done by angles instead and you don't have the cons associated with a heavy main spring. Forums are a great place to get information. But when people give inaccurate information, it doesn't do anyone any good. It's okay to say, I don't know the answer!

Do you have one of those new fancy 1911, where the slide moves forward upon firing? Ive only read about them, never actually seen one

Ive put 25k through my destroked gun, and love it.

The trigger spring hook is side ways and not up and down

Can you guys out run an ar15 or a 2011?

Baer

First off lets understand that when Remington designed the Versa-max, they built it for the waterfowl world. That's where they make their money. For every 3-gunner that buys one to shoot 2 3/4" 1 1/8oz at 1200fps there's probably 250 duck and goose hunters buying them to shoot up to 3 1/2" 1 1/2oz at 1500fps. With that in mind, I just lightened my bolt (the same way Crucible does, machining the body back tell it's flush with firing pin hole). I don't have my numbers in front of me, but total reciprocating bolt mass (minus bolt head and charging handle) before lightening was I think 13.2 oz. After it was 12.6 (5% roughly). Now from someone that shoots atleast a case of 3 1/2" usually closer to 2, a year at geese through my shotgun. I can guarantee 3 1/2" are harder on a bolt/gun at 13.2 oz than 2 3/4" are at 12.6 oz. And yes I know how the Versa-max port system was designed. Doesn't matter! My lightened bolt throws my 2 3/4" 2-4'. My goose gun throws them 6-10' (and that's a heavier high brass 3 1/2" hull). And that's completely due to bolt velocity, and how fast that hull is moving when it hits the ejector. Another way to put this, is if Remington hypothetically built a 2 3/4" Versa-Max. I'd guarantee they wouldn't put a 13.2 oz bolt in it.

What powder do you plan on using to get PF up there?