Vlad

Well I guess my point is that it could be fun, cool, and challenging and not seen before, but perhaps not the best choice for a competition where you want to ensure everyone has equal target presentation.

That's true, but you could say the same thing about having an RO following you around and hitting you about the head and shoulders with a catfish during the course of fire.

I think pretty much everything about the match was awesome, except maybe those 6 clays. I'm not really sure a fresh RO and a tiered RO would create an even presentation on that stage, plus the RO couldn't really see when someone touched the shotgun the same way for everyone. The RO's did their best, I'm just not sure they could do it consistently.

Stage 6 was my worst stage. I'm blaming it on you now

To me, under USPSA rules a spun plate should be considered a REF and result in a reshoot. The problem is in 3gun you may see quite a few spun plates do to marginal shotgun hits and resets and reshoots take a lot of time. I like the 3gn approach, a spun target is a hit target, move on. Depending on the stage design it isn't always possible to get a better angle at a spun plate.

So the question is would you replace your Razor 2 with this scope on your 3gun rifle?

I don't think the Larue SPR-E is any taller then the rest of them, they all seem to place the center of the scope roughly 2.7" above the bore line. I've seen no problems what so ever with the Aero, I actually think it is better and smarter then the Larue 8 screw approach. The other thing I really like is the full lugs it uses to mount on the upper. So far it has been excellent, and I have tossed it barrels and the like.

Thanks, because I was judging 3gun by youtube Sorry if that came across as condescending, it was not intended that way.

I'm loving the Aero, I replaced my Larue SPR-E with it. Thats said, Larue, ADM, etc would work, as long as you go with a forward offset mount. On a competition gun quick release seems pointless so might as well go with solid one piece non-quick-release mount

As for Shotgun, our stages are much less linear than your 3-gun. For example you will never see a row of evenly spaced identical clays in IPSC shotgun. Almost always you have a lot of gameplan options. Lot of shotgun swinging left and right, lot of short movements, few shots from each position. That depends from match to match and what the stage designers has to work with. I've seen both the "crowd of targets, use a spreader choke" stages as well as "its snipe hunt through woods, you better take them on the move and hunt for them" types. As with rifle, I think there is a danger of taking youtube too seriously, as a lot of stages are not photogenic and a lot of people prefer to post the zoomy-zoom-zoom stages as they look cooler on video. Of 3 majors I've shot this year so far made up of 24 stages total, I think about 16 involved rifle shots at 200+, another 4-5 had rifle shots past 100, and 5-6 stages were jungle runs with shotgun targets all over the place. And probably 10-12 stages involved slugs, a few of those over 100 as well. I guess what I'm saying is that 3gun is more varied that it might look on youtube.

I dunno if the expansion is the biggest issue though. My thinking is that when the barrel gets hot enough to sizzle the meat on my hands things start to shift around in the rather loose arrangement of parts that make up a shotgun. I'm guessing that pressures applied by receivers, mag tubes, clamps, etc all start to move stuff around, but what do I know. I wonder if there was a way to test this like maybe shoot some groups or something, but I can't help but think that all those heavy bench guns designed to shoot tinny groups with their free floated heavy barrels still see enough drift that they limit their rate of fire when shooting groups. On the other hand it is not as if we are shooting at MOA sized targets with slugs either.

Fair enough, I'm not much questioning the enforcement of the rule, I'm questioning the rule itself, particularly for production where once the gun is approved the stacking tolerances of rear sights and mag pads shouldn't come into play, at least not in my mind.

I guess what I'm asking is are we actually testing all mags or just the one the shooter presents? Forget for a second the issue in question, where I don't think anyone tried to cheat anyone else. It would be trivial to carry "correct" length mags and present those and then use my cheater mags during the match, specially when the difference is in margin of error for manufacturing tolerances. I can't really fathom what advantage I would get from doing it, but I can see how someone would do it. If we actually test every mag the shooter has .. do we raid their range bag? What happens with 140mm he left in there? Heck what happens with th fat glock mag the doesn't really fit in his CZ, does that count? I think the rules are slightly broken here. I don't know how to fix them, I just hope smarter people the me think about it for a bit, because specially in production with the 10 rd limit why the heck do we care how long the mags are and what effect they have on the overall size of the gun. Once a gun is on the production list, I don't see how changing sight height or mag pads makes any difference worth measuring.

Do we test all mags? What if I bring 100 mags in bag? What if some are for other guns, say I'm shooting production and limited in back to back matches with the same gun but different mags and I have them in my range bag. I'm not just being a dick with these questions, I'm trying to understand the process.

Who choses what mag goes in the gun to be measured, shooter or chrono staff?

Well so you think if they don't bother to maintain data on uspsa.org they will bother to maintain data on PS?

It is almost as if USPSA would need a webpage where you could find all USPSA clubs, schedules, and websites by zipcode .. oh wait, they do. If you mean all shooting sports, I guess maybe.

Personally I no longer like the inserts behind lenses. This might be just me, but they sit to close to my face. Not usually an issue, but when I sweat, or the weather is humid I tend to fog them up or drip on them. I've went to the prescription in the shield and I hope that will keep that under control.

I used to, now I embrace it. I think I got the notion from one of Steve Anderson's podcasts, everyone is going to be moaning and bitching and probably let that drag down their performance. If you don't do that, you'll have a leg up. Your skin is waterproof, look at the rain as a bonus

Sorry but that is nonsense. What if I shoot a $400 plastic gun instead of that 2011? Lets say I by this target for training, how is it any better then any other steel except for training explicitly for it being in a match somewhere? What about the next trick target? Do I buy that one too? At what point do I build a bigger garage to hold my expensive collection of steel plates? Let me ask you this .. what skills does this target actually test that can't be tested in any other way, convince that we should have it in matches, not that I should go buy one.

I would say Bill was probably right with his advise. What happens if you leave the bolt and bolt carrier out of the gun for the same period? Assemble the bolt and bolt carrier, clean/lube as per usual, collapse the bolt in the bolt carrier and store for the same length of time. If the bolt doesn't want to move in the carrier after that, I would check if one of them is out of spec, actually you could check that first.

Depends on prescription I guess. Mine is pretty light so I can get away with anything. For years I've used Rudy Rydon's with the insert for prescritpion and changed the prescription as needed. Recently I picked a new pair of Rydon's with the prescription built into the outer shields and I love them. They do the whole digital mapped prescription thing so it is still the correct prescription when you look to the sides through the curved lens, photochromic, and very clear. I'm sure there is a limit of much prescription they can do with that approach so go play with their website and see what you can get away with https://www.e-rudy.com/en/products/filter/category/sunglasses/sub/rx-collection

Also does not retract.. do you mean at all? Assuming the bolt in in battery, does the hangup start "from the begining" and you can't retract the carrier at all, or is there any movement before it binds up?

I wish there was more info. Cost? Sign up? Big match or "local" match?

Locks up how?