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I've seen Larue targets not go down when hit center mass with a 77 gr. at 300 yd. It depends on how they are set and not just them most targets. I haven't looked at the rules are you sure you can use a .223? Most MOR matches have a .243 minimum dia. We regularly shoot reactive targets ( Carroll targets ) out to 500 yd. and have no trouble seeing a hit with a .223 but they do have to be calibrated. I'm with you if a .223 can be used that would be my choice also but I want a good spotter with good glass to call hits. IMHO nothing less than the 69gr. should be used. Let us know how it goes.

Shot the match last year and was in early enough for the humbling session with Travis and Max. I'm sure this will be a fun match, hope they include a repeat of stage 12 that got tossed last year. That is still one of my all time favorite stages for a 3 gun match. App. is in the mail.

Why beat on metal when you can file plastic. I'm not talking large amounts here. If the mag drops free which should be one of the first tests it has to pass than just touch up the follower. I agree that mags should be as square and straight as possible and George is correct, all mag wells are not created equal but its better to work on the cheapest part than the more expensive.

Just a heads up with the Mag pull follower, I've had to file the edges and fit them to each of the mags they have been installed in. They are a great follower but I wouldn't just drop one in and expect it to run. Some required only minor fitting others more. Test and tune as needed. Keith

Zak, George is partly right,sell it but then buy a SX2 practical mark 1. Much softer than a Benelli and you don't have to fix anything to comnpete with it. Comes ready to go, no extended tubes to buy no bolt rework just break it in and run with it. I have a Benelli as my backup SG if you get the SX2 so will you. Good luck. Keith

Jake sorry I missed your post, but if it pertained to what I think it did I understand that the go to guy to get this all straightened out is E Miller. He really helped out his brother. Best of luck.Keith

Heavy Metal, Eddie Rhoads Tac. Iron, Bruce Piatt, Kurt Miller Tac. Scope, Eric Miller Open sorry I know but can't come up with it, Don Bednorst (sp?) was 2nd.

Richard, looking over your equipment list the only thing that might be upgraded would be the cqb aspect of your optics. I've used the same ACOG as you have and mounted a J point from JP on it. No more twisting the rifle around just tilt the head up a touch and that red dot is right there. J-point is good from contact to past 50 yd. then back to the ACOG. I got the 8 min. dot as the 4 was not available, turned out to be the best choice IMHO. Glad your back and ready to play. Keith

Very friendly indeed especially considering the conditions they worked under with nary a peep of discontent that I heard. The weather (rain & wind) caused some delays with the start each morning, not their fault. The shooting bay footing in 6 of the 8 stages was 3 to 6 inches of muck that would shuck off your boots if not tied on well, could have been avoided with better choice of aggregate. The conditions were addressed from the start by taking out a lot of the paper and condensing the stages from those intended to the 8 we shot, very smart move! The only real complaint I have is with the length of time for the scores, pick a method, format, type you want to use inform the shooters up front that this is how its to be done and stick with it. This isn't the first match that has changed or thought about changing the type of scoring midstream and been bitten by that decision. Despite the weather conditions this was a good match! Yes they had some 1st. match issues and I'm sure that they will be addressed before the next big match. I'd like to thank all those who put in the many hours of hard work before, during and after the match so I could show up shoot with my friends and go home with a VERY nice prize. Thank you also to the generous sponsors for their contribution to the magnificent prize table. Keith

Mark 01, If you want a rifle that is ready to rock, custom built and tuned give Greg Copeland at Copeland custom a call 620-442-7470 (south central KS.) He did a rifle for a friend that used the following main components. Cav arms lower DPMS low-pro upper Bushmaster 1 in 7 20" lite contour barrel Dpms FFT Copeland custom trigger, hammer and carrier It shoots 1/2 to 3/4 moa and is around $1000.00 depending on your accessories. Greg is a good guy and I've known him for longer than I care to admit. He has built 3 pistols for me and worked on most of my other guns. You would do well to accept the advice given by the forum members they will save you time , money and grief.

A couple of us shot an 11 rnd. cof with our tube SG and then with the Saiga mag fed. Tube SG 13 sec. Saiga 17 sec. Granted we practice with the tube fed SG and my reload with the Saiga was poor to say the least. One nice thing about the Saiga is the lite recoil, stays flat even with slugs.

If this is a dual purpose rifle and small varmints are in its future then I'd go with the IOR. The 2.5 X 10 ill. with the MP8 reticle would be a fine choice. If you want to buy USA a Leupold in a 2.5 X 8 or 3.5 X 10 with the TMR or the varmint reticle would work nicely also. Then mount a close quarters sight of your choice for an open gun.

Try a 2032 with a nickel on top of it. They last a little over half the time of the 2354 but mine seems as bright as with the original. For the price difference I'll continue to use the 2032.

M118LR, we just got our concealed carry bill passed here in Kansas (one of the last 4 states to pass it), you don't think they would trust us with suppressors yet. Maybe down the road we will have some enlightened representatives but I doubt it. No we will continue to make a lot of noise and belch fire from our bores. Thanks Keith

Thanks guys, I posted this same question over on Sniper's Hide and got pretty much the same info. I have about decided to go with the Holland. Mike, sad to say but rotator cuff issues have me looking for any relief from recoil and I also enjoy seeing the hit.

Any of you run a brake on your bolt gun? If so which one and how would you rate it. I'm looking for one that keeps the dust printing to a minimum but is as effective as possible. Thanks for any help. Keith

Never broken an extractor but have broken an extractor pin with the same result. I've got one bolt group that I still use although not in a comp. gun that has over 10,000 rnds. on it with only springs and rings changed. It is an original Colt that was in the first AR I bought back in the 70's. As part of the cleaning process the bolt group is checked for cracks with a 5 power lupe, and springs checked for stiffness. Hot loads put a lot of stress on locking lugs and the extractor so if you run them on the hot side check them often. Seen a couple of bolts break and throw parts into the trigger group besides locking up the action. Extractors don't cost much so if you think it needs changed go for it, the peace of mind will be worth the cost.

With a 200 yd. zero on the Meostar the top of the vertical stadia is dead on at 300 yd. on 4 power. This is with 69 gr. bullet @ 2850. If all your going to do is shoot "normal" 3 gun matches that don't have targets past 350 yd. it is all the scope you'll need. If on the other hand you want to have the option of engaging targets out to 700 yd. and with practice being able to shoot fast up close than go with the ACOG. The learning curve with the Meostar is very fast, I was comfortable with 300 yd. shots after the first mag. Really like the field of view and the speed it gives on 1 power with that bright red dot. Both are excellent scopes and which ever you choose will serve you well. That being said IMHO the Meostar is faster on the close stuff with less practice and just as fast on the mid range (200 to 350). You should do a poll and see which one wins.

The problem is there's very little market in the US for "action" shotguns, and mag-feeders even less. For a major mfg to tool up and build one looking at a market that's quite possibly less than 1000 units, total is a heck of a risk. How many active 3-gunners are there? A lot more than one might think. USPSA did a survey of its members and almost half of respondents ( 47% ) compete in 3 gun/multi gun matches. It is one of the fastest growing shooting disciplines in U.S. I've seen a huge increase in matches and attendance in the last 7 years. And all of these competitors are looking for an advantage, its a fertile market for those willing to adapt or develop specialized equipment.

Alan, Map quest shows 141 miles and 2hr. 21 min from Fayette to KCI. Think I'd catch a later flight or take the red eye out in the morning.

Each COF is different so it depends how far apart they are, how high they go and the penalty/reward for a hit/miss. 3 at a time are very doable if they are side by side and go up 15 to 20 ft. Take your tactical shotgun to the sporting clays range, ignore all the snide remarks and shoot a couple of rounds ( 50/round ) flippers won't bother you again. They are just like any other gimmick prop, you just have to get used to them so the intimidation factor is gone.

I like it, simple and straight forward. Living in Kansas I'm not often presented with angle problems but when shooting in Colo. or New Mex. it will be handy. Until you get out past 500 and the trajectory steepens this should be close enough. Thanks

No matter which division you choose to play in keep the weight off the gun. You have to be able to swing it and also be able to stop it very quickly. Use a good muzzle brake ( there are many threads on this ) it will pay big dividends in time savings. It still amazes me how close two hits can be from 50 yards with .20 splits. If you see really well try limited or tactical iron and get an extended sight radius front sight. If you choose to shoot with a scope there are a lot of threads on this also. When you get your new rifle spend some time with it get to know it very well and shoot the heck out of it. Enjoy! Keith

I had to adjust the windage with mine and just a touch of elevation. Which slugs are you using? You might try a different brand/type.

Glen, it would be nice to have the option of slinging the rifle muzzle down as your not as likely to loose control of muzzle direction. Also you will have to come up with another option to carry the rifle as most won't have a sling or at least not a good one. On the 100 yd. stage how is the shotgun to be grounded? From the drawing looks like you'll need a semi vertical tube or one pointing towards the berm as you'll be downrange of it after abandonment. Looks like fun stages, see ya there. Keith