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I know we can drive from stage to stage but for those who shot last year should I still bring the jogger or can you pretty much park within 50 yards of the shooting thanks Jacob

Are you guys talking about removing the stock?

Anyone got a plan for the flying birds stage...I got to thinking,,,Keith Garcia's load 12 drill standing in one spot and his splits are in the high 2's for load 4, loading 3 from the waist weakhand is about the same time, maybe 3 tenths shorter if you are in his class. Trying in the peace and cool of my basement load 2 from a vest not moving is about right for the 2 seconds timeframe. If even a pro can finish this stage in the 20 seconds, it takes getting the flyers and all the steel and loads in the 20 seconds. I just hope I am around to see it. Even one clay miss is ten seconds and then you are way behind the curve... Bets

ahh but worth every penny...Only thing this is getting replaced with is another SVI..This thing shoots one hole at 25 yards off the bench and has never even hiccupped a little...Brandon builds a fine looking and running gun

Infinicoat bronze...very expensive finish on a very expensive gun...also Very Durable...

Per the semi pro rules if shooters want to get semi pro points they have to shoot pro side in this match. Can a person register for the pro match and shoot open?

Jesse said doodoo

As an officer it is hard to explain how much a good letter can mean. I have had terrible weeks where I went into roll call and had one of those letters in my mailbox. It makes the low pay, terrible hours, and bulls*#t disappear just for a moment. Jacob

Midwest 3 gun clays were actually a very challenging flying bird array. The crosser would come out first but the shooter could not see the thrower or the bird right away. That crosser would present itself through a clearing in the trees for a short time and while tracking that bird properly another clay was thrown going away at a slight angle. Proper follow thru on the crosser required a 30 plus yard stab on the going away clay as it disappeared into the brush. From the results less than 5 people out of all divisions shot the stage clean. I watched the super squad shoot the stage and no one shot it without a clay miss that I saw. Challenging to say the least and that stage alone has got me on the skeet range for the last two weeks straight Jacob

If anyone has an actual LaRue lower and a CTR upper could you at least try to see if they fit together for me. Pretty Please Jacob

Quick request for a little help. I already have a LaRue lower set up for three gun with a home built upper. I am thinking of ordering a JP CTR-02 upper to put with my existing lower and am wondering if someone who has a LaRue lower and a CTR upper can slap em together real quick and take a quick photo of the upper and lower reciever close up of both sides and let me know how they fit and look ( I am sure just fine ) Thanks Jacob

I totally understand that these lists are by no means comprehensive and if added all together will most likely result in a well rounded training program but I also feel the prep builds confidence and that always helps in my book. Thanks for the input alreay Jacob

LaRue 1. Know your slug trajectories and zeros from 50 and 75 yards. My shotgun shot 8" high and 6" left, costing me 65 seconds in penalties and 15 overall match places. LaRue steel targets used for all slug shots. 2. Most stages were up close and personal burners other than the long range rifle stages. Practice gettting in and out of positions and transitions with all 3 guns. In some of these short stages being 5 seconds behind easily put a competitor 20% behind from the top score for that stage 3. Offhand rifle at 50-70 yards and standing and kneeling supported rifle out to 100 yards 4. Practice shooting rifle standing barricade supported at 50-75 yards for speed. One stage with 12 rifle targets shot once each from two positions required accurate rifle fire at a very rapid pace. Whole stage was done in under 30 seconds by the top guys 5. LaRue steel targets shot with pistol at up to 35 yards on more than one stage 6. Practice dumping and picking up all guns during a stage. Time was easily lost on almost every stage grounding and aquiring your next guns. 7. Long range rifle stage had shots ranging from one bank at 85 yards, one bank at 230 yards, and four targets set at 485 and 500 yards which were 4 MOA. Knowing your rifle, ammunition, and scope holdovers was critical. This stage was done in 27 seconds by the stage winner. 8. I don't recall any flying clays in the match at all. Shotgun focused on being blazingly fast on steel and solid slug and buckshot hits as well as smart shotgun loading. As far as range conditions go, this match is usually very hot, very windy, and extremely dusty. Some kind of hat and face cover is all but required when the dust and wind blow as they usually do. I also brought a chair and umbrella and was glad several times that I did. The food and drink at this match is less critical as most is provided by LaRue's excellent BBQ stand and abundance of stocked coolers with pop and water. If sausage and brisket weigh you down and you care, bring other food (but you are missing out) The main hurdle I saw and I myself struggled with were slug targets. I have since remedied this with a dovetailed XS rear sight on my Benelli and time put in at the range zeroing and recording results Hope I have been helpful with my limited knowledge for these matches next year and looking forward to seeing tips for the upcoming majors of 2012 Jacob

Jesse Your videos were also a major help in my prep for CMMG. I will post a link to your YouTube channel if that is ok. I have also found that a list format helps me to prioritize range practices for upcoming events and I find information given this way definitely helps me as much or more than even videos. Selfishly I am also looking for this kind of practice list for Ozark, AR-15 ProAm, and Fallen Brethren Jacob

CMMG 1. Practice unloading pistol at speed. There was an interesting vertical slotted dump box that cost me a stage DQ. Never practiced unloading my pistol at speed before because I had never seen a dump box which required it. 2. Offhand rifle at 100 yards. Several offhand shots at 10" plates at 100 made it very challenging and time consuming 3. 90 degree offset rifle shooting at 50/75/100 yards to know how it effects bullet impact. Slotted barricades all but required it. 4. Supported standing rifle shots at 100 and 200 yards. Definitely more challenging with less points of rifle and body contact 5. Pattern shotgun with all your chokes and know where your shotgun hits with each. Several tight shotgun steel targets with no shoot pistol targets close by required choke selection and careful aiming. Bring your full choke!!! 6. Head to the trap and skeet range prior to match to hone flying target skills. One stage with 8 flying targets and crossing birds seperated the true talent from us posers 7. Bring High Brass #6 pheasant loads. Maybe this was only this year but there was a MGM spinner set approximately 20 yards out that could easily be spun on full choke with #6's. IC and 7.5's not so much 8. 300-400 yard rifle targets that were 10" MGM flashers. Practice shooting prone off magazines at 2.5 MOA targets while calling wind. Very Challenging!!! 9. Several poppers with pigeon flipper targets were employed on various stages. 10. Swinging bridge/platform. While this one is hard to practice without one, learning at the match is NOT the way to go As far as range conditions...Though dry this year this one is usually quite muddy and rainy so bring proper clothing requirements. Lunch is on site for sale but the vendor was extremely busy and the first day it was not uncommon for people to be waiting in line for up to 45 minutes. I brought my own water jug and cooler with lunch which helped tremendously. The range it set up well that competitors such as me did well traveling from stage to stage with carts or joggers. I wouldn't have wanted to backpack it from stage to stage. Not because of distance but because of bringing my own water and grub Thats all the notes I have for this one. LaRue notes to come when I get another minute Jacob

So I have been toying with an idea for the last couple days in this multi-gun forum. I have attended my first two major matches in the past 2 months and have learned more than in a year of locals. During this time, one thing has struck me. While prepping for the match I would look thru the match announcements here for small tidbits of info but without experience at that match it was hard to prepare for specific skills that certain matches usually throw at the shooter. Here is my idea and I will start with the next post. Experienced shooters could help the rest of us by posting which match they attended last year (or already this year) and specific skills new shooters could hone before going to that particular match. I know I came back with a list of TO DO's from both CMMG and LaRue matches and although next year will be obviously different, I think many matches follow themes to challenge shooters. This could also help us newbs with upcoming 2012 matches. I would also like to see travel notes and range conditions (typical weather and if the match is walking or cart friendly) My hope is that this topic could be well attended and we all could learn from it. I am no expert but glad to share the two lists I have accumulated from my two major matches. Jacob

depending on how many rounds it has...hell yay Bets

I guess at the end of the year if the top 4 semi pro shooters are in a division other than tac ops we will have our answer as to whether making a switch to another division to eliminate "the Horner factor" will be worth it or not. That being said, the man wins overall more times than not against ALL divisions as I see it. Not having your percentage based off of his score is an advantage as far as I can see. I, for one, got into this sport to see how I stack up against the best of the best and to motivate me to shoot better for both work and pleasure. There are top level shooters in ALL divisions of this sport, but no one can argue there are MORE top level shooters at every match in tac ops than probably all others combined. At least one of those shooters absolutely smokes EVERY stage of the match, keeping guys like me in the 70% range. Would that happen in a different division...probably...but no one can deny the "deep pool" tac ops shooters are up against. I will stay...in the end its all for fun and I got to see my name in the top 25 if not for just a fleeting moment And to me, the point of competition is to see how you stack up against others shooting in your same division and rules. Comparing the year end result percentages of tac ops, irons, and open is not a comparison of equal competition. Disclosure: I am not bashing 3gun nation in any way. They are doing a ton for this sport and thru its continued growth we can all hope to have MORE competition, coverage, and sponsorship!!! Bets

ClutchUSMC I dont know how to quote your above last two paragraphs but 2 Manhattans or not I COULD NOT AGREE MORE

So I jumped the gun a little...I was excited

Semi Pro standings are now posted on the 3 gun nation website!!!!!! Bets

Here is how I see it, and I too was on the squad ahead of the big boys. This is my first major match after competing locally for 1 year. After winning or placing high in local matches there comes a time when we all want to branch out and see how we stack up and learn from those better than us. From the time I got to my hotel, I shook hands with James Casanova in the parking lot. Then he invited me into his room to help me with holdovers for the long range stage, which he had already walked thru and lased for range and I was unable to do because of my 13 hour commute. The willingness to help some noboby from a top ten competitor was awesome right from the start and set the stage for the rest of the match. I then get to the match on Friday and run into some of the big boys from last years 3 gun nation TV show. They shake hands, ask ME how my stages are going, give me some tips on my upcoming stages, and sit now and enjoy a pop and brisket wrap with some guy they have never met. (Big thanks to Eric Lund, Keith Garcia, Clint Upchirch, Pat Kelley, Rustin Bernskoetter, and Mike Voigt) That night at the motel I run into Jesse Tischauser and have a smoke with him outside the hotel while we talk about stages and the match in general. Go out for dinner and lo and behold who is catching a beer at the bar but Daniel Horner. He recognizes me in my shooting apparel and I catch a beer while chatting about the stages and the last couple days shooting. I also talk to Sheldon Carruth each night in the hotel lobby and he wants MY opinion on the targets used, how the match is running, and what could be better. Now I will say this, at times the camera crew behind us was slightly distracting but I think we all could learn to tune out distractions during a match. What a small price to pay for growing interest in our sport, more brand support and feedback from shooters actually being listened to by big companies, and being able to rub elbows with the stars of this sport for both the entertainment and the learning value. Try catching a NFL game, asking to pay an entry to compete with the big boys, and ask if you can meet a few of them for tips and tricks over a beer later. There simply is no other sport offering this kind of opportunity!!! OK rant off PS...Props Glen and Shiloah from Seekings Precision. You guys were a class act to shoot with and I had a blast...To the Brown brothers, thanks for the Texas hospitality until we meet again Sheldon...to you and your crew....Great Work...This was an EPIC first match for me Jacob

Anyone know when 3 gun nation will have the semi pro yearly rankings posted showing results for this match and SMMG. Looks like the top 25 semi pros this year getta shootoff to get into the pro series next year!!! Bets

Does anyone have experience with or know what XS Express sight the RNT guys use to dovetail into the rib of benelli barrels. I saw Kurt last weekend at the LaRue match and totally forgot to ask. Looks like it may be the express pistol rear sight but there are so many models and I am looking for the specific compact one they use for the job. Kurt, If you are around do you guys do the work if we send the barrel to you or do you recommend someone specifically? Thanks in advance Jacob