Rob Tompkins

W231

I need 5.8 gr WSF to get to 170PF in my M&P Pro. COL: 1.150-1.155 (long for my 2011).

Its a flattened spherical shape. Meters great.

I've used W231 (HP38 same powder) becase it can be used in just about everything - very flexable and fairly clean (better than some, worse than others)

I was thinking the same! ;-) ! guess there are a lot of "gamers" shooting IDPA.

4.1"

It sounds promising but its all about condition, how it runs, and how its been used / abused. If anything seems off (slide wiggles, rattels when you shake it, etc.), have a good independent gunsmith look at it.

My shocked face that it was Freedom Munitions - . They caused pretty much the same kaboom in a friend's 1911. He also still buys ammo from them after it happened... ETA: and big props to STI for awesome customer service and warrantying an issue they clearly did not cause. I've also received excellent customer service from STI. While hand cycling to test feed / function I've a good bit of this ammo set back to the point I pulled the bullet.

When I shot Open I used it with 124/125 gr JHP. As noted the case was full and you needed to load long but it worked well and making PF was not a problem. Lots of data here on Enos.

I've used VV350 - a very slow powder with good results. You may have work out side published data.

As stated, the light weight can push the blance point forward and the cheek weild will be lower on your face - but its very comfortable and works well with typical 3-gun rifle tasks. Also I run offset irons so the lack of cheek riser works well for me to get the roll over needed.

I fear I’m slowly turning into a powder hoarder. About two years ago I was down to ~4lbs of W231 (at the rate I shoot, about 12-18 month supply) and just a few thousand primers. I started looking around and ended up getting 2x4lb American Select to spread shipping charges and I felt “rich” with powder and ended up selling (at cost) 4lbs to a buddy. Over the past year another buddy that travels a lot for work offered to shop LGS’s and I ended up with another 5lbs of W231/HP38. I also ordered the allowed limit of VV350, WSF, and W231 as various times, selling 2/3 – 3/4 of each order (at cost) to local shooters. I just ordered 16lbs of ETR7 with 12lbs promised to other locals. Counting the ETR7 I have ~20lbs of various pistol powders which for me is 4-5+ year supply and along the way I also picked up 20k-25k primers. I find myself still shopping / hunting for powder. I may have a problem but I don’t feel too bad since I feel I’ve helped several local shooters get powder and primers at a fair cost.

Just got these pics from my smith - Josh Hamilton at Hamilton Armory. This is the second gun Josh built for me, the first was a 9mm 1911. This gun is built on an STI frame and slide with cuts and mag well by Brazos. Grip is from Advanced Performance. It's set up with a bushing barrel and uses a standard guide rod so it balances as much like a 1911 as possible.

I've been using some for 40 cal 180gr X-Treme. Compared to W231 you need a larger charge but I've not noticed any more / less smoke. I tried a few rounds using some moly coated bulelts other shooters close by reported seeing a big flash. I've only shot a few hundred rounds so can really comment for sure but it its seems to be pretty clean. EDIT: I've not noticed any differnt recoil but I don't feel peas under the matress either so...

HURRY BEFORE ITS GONE!

Titegroup and HS-38 also! They are restricting quantities... which should allow people to grab some. ~g The quanity limits seem pretty generious for most average shooters, 16lbs - 20lbs generally. I think this is a good sign in several ways. Enacting limits may help more people get something which may help the panic feelings and the diversity of pistol powders is refreshing and may alos help ease some panic feelings. Or not.

I've been getting a " Checking your browser before accessing uspsa.org." message last few days.

I would since I had requested Squad 18 but it looks like I've been bumped to 13 already. That or I couldn't tell the difference between 18 and 13?

That would be innovative. It would also be an option in a Not For Competition (NFC) Divsion if the local MD offered it.

Maybe, depends on final IDPA rules.

I will be at Cavern Cove next month!

NFC is up to the local MD to include or not. I'll be starting this Divison up next month locally.

I tend to think along these lines. I don't shoot a revolver often in IDPA but I own and have shot both minor PF speedloader and major PF moonclip guns. I did not feel one had a dominat advantage over the others, at least in IDPA. If IDPA ever opens up to 8 shot moonclip guns, it might be different but IDPA COF's are short enough that many stages would still reguire the same number of reloads.

The tgt designation rule is: 4.11. Threat and Non-Threat Target Designation 4.11.1. Non-threat targets must be designated by displaying a pair of normal sized open hands of contrasting color, at least one of which must be visible from all shooting positions where the target may be shot. 4.11.2. Threat targets may be designated by displaying a normal sized threat indicator, like a firearm or knife that is visible from all shooting positions where the target may be shot. Threat target designation is not mandatory, but is highly recommended. In no case should a threat indicator and a hand be positioned on the same target. Threats indicators cannot look similar to non-threat hands. Targets must be easily identified as threat or non-threat. 4.11.3. Threats indicators of different kinds all have equal threat value and do not change target engagement priority. That is, a knife is equal in threat to a shotgun, rifle, or other firearms. 4.11.4. Threat and non-threat indicators may be painted or marked on the targets or covering clothing, or may be clipped or stapled to the target. Should also consder the soft cover rules: 4.9. Hard Cover / Soft Cover Scoring Implications 4.9.1. Stage props are commonly used to represent "hard" cover or impenetrable objects such as walls, cars, barricades, and furniture such as desks and file cabinets. Truly impenetrable objects may also be used as hard cover in a stage. 4.9.2. IDPA requires that clubs/course designers standardize on Black for "Hard" cover simulation. IDPA recommends that clubs/course designers standardize on White for "Soft" cover simulation, or use props such as windows, curtains, shrubs, etc. - 19 - 4.9.3. Any shot that puts a full diameter hole in an object designated as "Hard" cover and continues on to penetrate a target will be considered to have missed the target, (whether the target is a threat or a non-threat.) If the SO cannot tell which shot through hard cover hit a threat target, remove the best hit from the target for each full diameter hole in the hard cover. 4.9.4. Shots that penetrate "soft" cover will be scored as hits, (whether the target is a threat or a non-threat.) 4.9.5. Threat and non-threat indicators painted or marked in the color black are not hard cover. 4.9.6. Threat indicators made of impenetrable material are considered hard cover. 4.10. Targets may be covered with clothing as desired. This is typically done with T-shirts, cut into a front half and a back half and one half is clipped or stapled onto the target sticks holding the target. Only a single layer of lightweight clothing material may be between the shooter and a score-able target. Bottom line you could give all your Non-threats "soft cover" in any form or shape you want (use white paint) to acheive your goal but I would not outline them in black unless you want that to be "hard cover".

I registed at 12:02 Centeral Time. I see its already close to 50% full.