Tom C

I hate people who try empasizing a point by using the NON-word Irregardless. Makes my ears bleed.

It stands to reason that our friends at Glock will hear the groans and moans for coming out with a S.S. 380. I'd expect to see a S.S. 9mm, from Glock, in the not too distant future. Yea, the .380 will work BUT a S.S. 9 could be almost exactly the same size (please oh please Glock make it long enough so my pinky has a place to grip) and serve as a PERFECT BUG since it would mean only ONE type of ammo.

I've noticed a drift away from my original question regarding Glock grease but no matter as most the posts I'm seeing are reflective of the experiences I've had with 2 glock 19's, 2 glock 34's, 2 glock 26's and 1 glock 17. I used tetra cleaner to clear the "Glock Grease" from all my Glocks and lube'd them with tetra oil (except 1 Glock 34 that got treated with Tetra grease and shot to cleanup some burrs) as per Glocks manual (maybe the 1, 34 would have benefited if I'd left the Glock Grease in place). I clean Glocks somewhere near 1k rounds or sooner if they got exposed to hostile mud, sand or such. Since tetra became hard to find in my area I now use Hoppes Blast & Shine and RemOil. Definitely, with Glocks, a little lube goes a long long way. Of the above named list, I still have 2 Glock 19's, 1 Glock 34 (traded one for a Nikon 85mm 1.8 lens), 1 Glock 26 ( gifted 1 to my daughter) and the Glock 17 has a new home with a friend of mine currently working in law enforcement. Thanks to everyone who responded.

I've been shooting Glocks for over a decade and I have my "quirks" about their care and maintenance so it's time to see what others think. When I bought my first Glock (19 gen 3) the armorer in the shop where it was purchased told me to clean off the Glock lube (grease) and lube it with a good gun oil as per the manual provided. I ignored him (bear with me) and was disappointed by the weapons performence as the return to battery (RTB) was inconsistent. Ok, so into the pro shop and bought some cleaner and oil. Cleaned all the grease away and dropped 6 drops of oil as per the manual. That was over 10 yrs ago. The only failure to RTB since has been when I teach young females and they limp wrist it (and I mean so badly that in some instances the spent brass does not eject for them). So where i am going here is regarding the Glock grease (for want of a phrase). What do my fellow Glock shooters feel and what do yall do with the factory grease? For the record, I am still shooting that Glock 19, putting somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-7K rounds per year through it. I did no site research so I do appoligize if this is discussed elsewhere. Happy New Year all.

First firearm was (and is) the Glock 19. I take care of it, it takes care of me.... Used to shoot Magtech 115 gr then switched to CCI Blazer 115 gr (which functioned flawlessly) as it was much less expensive. Then Obama came around. Now I shoot Atlanta Arms 147 gr because I got in before they got swamped.

Never had a problem in cold weather or one in general with my XD-45 If I were a betting man (and I'm not) I'd suggest it's related to the lubricant used. I have seen excessively lubricated Glocks have cold weather problems that were corrected by cleaning and proper lubrication with a name brand lube

The link for KKM (I just used it) is: http://www.kkmprecision.com/ As far as Hybrid barrels, IDK. I did a little more research and can find nothing re: KKM Hybrid porteds. I did see a couple glocks (on-line) that look like they were ZEV guns with barrels resembling ported hybrids. Since Glock stopped making the C models (at least in 9mm) anything Glock 9mm and ported would either be older or gunsmithed in. I know, probably all stuff that you already knew.

I shoot the Glock 26 Gen 3 with a pierce pinky rest (adds no rounds and keeps the size down a little). I also shoot the Glock 19 Gen 3 with trijicon night sights and an extended mag release. Both shoot equally well out to 25 yards and regarding concealed carry qual, I've cleaned the course of fire with both. The Glock 26 gen 4 offers the changealbe backstraps that the Gen 3 does not. I'm guessing the gen 4 recoil spring has a metal guide rod which is a marginal improvement in durability over the gen 3's synthetic rod. Tomatoes tomatos I think the gen 3 might cost a little less.

Regarding fiber optic front sight...strongly consider a green fiber optic. I've shot red and green and green stays very crisp visually regardless of weather conditions and backgrounds. Shooting lead outta Glock factory barrels is just plain risky no matter what anyone says. If lead is in your future, go with a good aftermarket barrel like KKM.

"Best" is what works for you. I use night sights (althought the front has expended it's usefull life for it's low light/night purpose) and they serve me well. Pretty much any aftermarket sight for Glocks is better than what Glock supplies stock.

Will spare you the details, but yes, some earlier models of Gen 4 pistols have had issues. Since then, issues have been resolved. Keep in mind that there is, through any brand/make, product that slips through quality control... and the web is one of the best places to hear about the less than 1% defect rate factory has claimed.The sheer volume of Glocks in the wild that compose that 1% could be all the more concerning. However, know that if you were to be of the unfortunate few with problems (and it shouldn't take long to figure it out), the factory will do all they can to make things right, up to and including a new pistol, if necessary. FWIW, I have recently sold a Gen 2 and a Gen 3, both are being replaced with new Gen 4s. Buy with confidence. sent via Tapatalk Kinda runs along the "normal" new production run issues most all new things have. Regarding the Mag issue, I did buy 3 new Gen 4 (ambi cuts) mags and I will try them out by Saturday. I'll need to do a closer inspection of the trigger bar bump to see if I can make sense of why it's even there. What I'm getting from all this is that the changes seem to not be change for the sake of change and that's a good thing. I'm in no hurry to replace my old friend (Glock 19 Gen 3) as it has no bad habits, never talks back, always wants to play when I'm ready to play and it hits what I aim at out to the better part of 50 yds. Oh yes, and it's the mistress my wife never complains about. hahahahaha.

Yes, I know the site isn't supposed to be for "ongoing conversations" but I do feel I'd be remiss to NOT include a little more info. After I posted, I went on-line and read some of the shooters reviews. I was a little disappointed that mag's seem to be 14 rounders (15th doesn't seem to want to fit) and there have been some malfunction issues. In fairness, these reviews are a little aged (circa 2011) so my hope is to find these issues corrected. Also, in the interest of being fair, when gen 4's were sent back to Ga., they were returned in virtually perfect running condition. Makes me more determined than ever to go test fire a Glock 19 Gen 4 (my idea of Glocks best personal defense weapon) but I'm in no way planning to replace my Glock 19 gen 3 as it works all the time (within the reasonable margin for error). Nothing a slap rack re-engage type drill or a mag drop, reinsert, rack and roll can't correct. And that's only maybe 1 outta thousands of rounds down range both in practice and in IDPA. Thank goodness it's not had to be called on for the "final" solution as that is not what anyone really wants (but needs to be ready to do).

So, as I usually do, I come late to this dance but I do now have some "shop handling" observations regarding the Glock 19 gen 3 vs. Glock 19 gen 4. I took my gen 3 19 with me into my friendly neighborhood store and they were quite willing to let me do some side by side feel comparisons. The Stippling seems sharper on the gen 4 (but I had to balance that with how much I've used my gen 3 over the years). The mag release on the gen 4 is crisper than on the gen 3 (my gen 3 has a new oem mag release and I borrowed one of the shops new mags for Glock 19). What surprised me was the feel of the slide pull. The double spring of the gen 4 feels lighter, to my uncalibrated hands, than the single spring of the gen 3. I like that the guide rod is metal in the gen 4 although I've no complaints about my gen 3. Trigger is on par with a factory gen 3 trigger. Either 5k - 10k rounds of firing or a little careful stoning of the striker and trigger bar faces Should net you about a 4.5-5lb trigger that feels good. So what I'm really trying to say is that if you or someone you know is considering a gen 4 glock 19, it feels great in all respects. Once you replace the crappy Glock sights you should have a fine working weapon. I'll just bet ya the accuracy is there too. Saturday I'm gonna see if I can get my hands on one to run some shooting tests at 10 and 15 yds as I think these are realistic self defense ranges. At 25yds self defense MIGHT get iffy.

I'm a Glock "purist" but that's mostly due to the fact that I carry the same Glock that I compete with (Glock 19). The comment above about shooting the hell outta a Glock does address the trigger issues. I did expedidte the trigger "clean up" process by using Tetra grease at the contact between the trigger bar and striker. Once this was "polished down" by means of shooting at the range and dry firing, the trigger lost all the "nastiness" that many people complain about. I am not adverse to people trying anything to improve the performence of their particular weapon but I do try to guide them to read Dale Rhea's writings re: tweaking Glocks. This guy is the ultimate Glock tweaker and does things that would make most of us blanch in fear. Oh Yes, I agree that replacing the factory sights is #1a on the list. 1b is the trigger (as I see it). The sights are 1a because I have seen the factory front sight actually fly off too many Glocks. Dave Sevigny won the USPSA national chanpionship with a near STOCK Glock 34. albeit several years ago.

I've spent the last 31 years of my life as a technician/troubleshooter in the Semi-Conductor industry (you know...The lill chips that make phones, pagers, computers etc work). I know that Murphy and his law lurk around every corner so I believe "the likelyhood anything will fail is directly proportional to the immediacy of its need." All that said, I married up to a Gen 3 Glock 19 more than 10 yrs ago. I used some Tetra Grease and worked the face of the trigger bar and striker face (against eachother). After numerous repetitions I have found the factory trigger safe, reliable and, to those I'm shooting with who do not know me) they are convinced I am using professionally doctored parts and springs. My cheapo gage shows a break at between 4.5 and 5 pounds. I also carry this gun daily (chl holder). Perfect is relative to the user.

Unless the rules have changed, any "extended" mag release has to be offered by the manufacturer (in this case Glock).

Eventually you will coach. It's a part of us.

I know the point of the forums is NOT to have conversations but, with respects to weapon handling...As I said, I shot USPSA for a time (10+ yrs) and I've seen unsafe weapon handling from all from unclassified to Grand Master and D Q's for same. Anyone can and might make a mistake when weapon handling the key, as has been pointed out, is correcting the handling mistakes "nicely" even when a DQ gets handed down. Sometimes DQ's are the best coach. I like both sports (IDPA and USPSA) and find the "need" to look for weaknesses in either a lesson in futility. I just happen yo enjoy IDPA more than USPSA for my own reasons. One day I will be a member in both but currently I am detoxing from USPSA (we all need a break from time to time). There are some of the finest people one will ever meet shooting these two games.

At a local match with a new shooter, I will advise... 99% of the time it is after the shooter is finished and holstered. I do want them to feel welcome. The only time during the COF I may say something are things like finger, cover, move, etc... I would find it a stretch to call correcting potentially risky handling of a firearm or magazines, coaching. But, to be clear in my comment, no SO said anything to the shooter. I did and am not an SO. Also, I shot USPSA for a number of years and, like it or not, I saw RO's (as USPSA calls them) coaching new shooters. I see nothing wrong with it in the short term as it helps the learning process. Major matches are a different story but in local matches it's one way the newer shooters learn. Also my comment was made to him AFTER he shot. A far cry from coaching. Remember...Let he, who is so pure, cast the first stone.

At last weekends IDPA match there was an older gentleman who, at least it looked to me, was shooting IDPA for the first time. Not being an SO and not having ever met the older gent (maybe late 60's early 70's) I try my best to not offer advice BUT in his case I had too.. He had 2 mags stowed on his belt, left side (guessing FOBUS) and one in his right pocket. Interestingly, he was using the mag from his pocket NOT as his starting mag so he was reaching awkwardly across his body to retrieve a "spare" mag at points during his run. After he shot I broke my rule and asked him why he didn't just use that pocketed mag as his "first mag" then he'd be working "off the belt" for his reloads. I was surprised his reply was that he'd never thought about it and no one ever said anything to him before. He thanked me and started doing as I suggested. Point being (and I'm NOT picking on any SO's) DON'T assume. If you see an awkward situation, talk to the shooter. They might have been doing it "this way" their whole life for whatever reason. Also, in defense of the SO's...They had their hands full as last weekends match was the first one under the new rules and they were dealing with that as well as everything else (like keeping the participants engaged in helping tape, reset steel, swingers and such). The SO's are only human and can use help from the non-SO's in any way we can help.

Shot a match under the new rules last weekend and there seems to be confusion (among the SO's) regarding reloads. Maybe it was their explanations were confusing me, idk for sure. I'll spend some time pondering reloads and cover and see how next months match shapes up. As far as cover, I think there's an area of subjectivity re: cover. The way cover got called last weekend it seems to me we might be seeing "cover lines" (fault lines) before most folk are happy. Still, all in all, it's a fun game that I enjoy shooting. It needs rules, but the rules need to be non-subjective (again, in my humble opinion). We shoot, we learn, we have fun.

I do not know who said it originally but, "Beware the man who has one gun. He probably knows how to use it." For defensive use (non-CHL) and game, the Glock 17. If concealed carry is a consideration, and you are of average size, Glock 19. KISS applies.

$1.50 and a cz or berreta or tanfoglio might get you a top 5 in a uspsa production national match (along with azzloads of practice and talent). No sig or glock in the top 5. Stopped shooting USPSA this year for my own reasons (there are none better imho). I suspect the lack of a Glock in the tope 5 is due to Robert V. shooting limited or Limited 10. As for Sig, I've been wondering why Max M. has put so much pressure on Sig to improve their Production legal guns but not shoot them himself. I know he's a serious Open gun racer. As for me...I'm don't shoot well enough to even think about top 50 in Production class (were I to go back to USPSA which I presently have no plans to do). BTW, I take my coffee black...does that get me a cup for $1.25? hahaha

When I was campaigning in USPSA with my Glock 34 I found the most usfull internal changes that could be made were the Wolff competition spring kit (primarily the striker spring) and having the facing between the trigger bar (aka cruciform) and striker trued to each other as much as possible without creating a true double strike trigger pull. Everyone I've talked with in Tx South section who campaigns with the 34 or 35 stays away from the titanium parts due to reduced longevity issues. I've never tried any titanium parts as now I shoot my carry gun (Glock 19) in competition and, for my own purposes and reasons, have kept it 100% stock (internally). I did replace the crappy glock sights with Trijicon fixed sights (on all my Glocks) and that is that.

Simply based on the performence I've seen at several matches. Won't entice me away from my Glock 19 (which I feel is the best semi auto 9mm Glock made) but I have to give the recent Sig 9mm's their due. Very accurate once ya master the double action trigger pull for first shot. I don't like Barretta (personal pref), Smith is trying hard, and there is no denying the quality of the XDM's in 9mm. Fear not, it's only my opinion and I know that my opinion and $1.50 MIGHT get me a cup of coffee outta a machine.