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Can I get an AMEN to this post! AMEN!

This!

Ok, found them on here. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=137457 I would still like to see the actual IPSC publication of them. Not that I don't believe everything I see on Enos, I just want to be sure.

Hey Trapr. I might be blind but the most recent set of rules I can find for IPSC Shotgun is 2009. I know that there are more recent additions but where are you finding them? Thanks

Dang it! I knew I would forget something. Thanks to Brian and Jerry for letting me join their pairing for the 3GN match! It was great getting to shoot with you both; I'll be using the "Fuzzy on Fuzzy" aiming description for a long time!

I just want to add my Thanks to everyone who made these two matches happen. Larry, you and your crew did a great job! I thought the stages were very nicely balanced between hosing and poking out a little precision. The targets were easy to find, and if I want to actually see them I can always use some of that magic glass that makes things bigger. The ROs were friendly and helpful and just a lot of fun in general. The Stats were amazing! Cole, that is one heck of a range you have going out there! I look forward to shooting more matches there and seeing how you continue to develop the place. Thank you very much for letting all of us crazy 3-gunners come play at your place. Finally, but definitely not least, THANK YOU to all the sponsors! Those prize tables were incredible. If I try to list them all I will miss some so this is a general Thank You to all of the sponsors with special thanks to those I got goodies from: FNH, Stag, Lancer, Surefire, Warne Tactical, Brownells, and of course 3 Gun Nation! Thanks to Squad 11 for being a great bunch of people to shoot with. You guys made the match that much more fun. Hope to see and shoot with you all again soon. James

Yes, much better! I just had to poke Mark a little. I actually do like the background, it will be a very nice page.

UM... Nice background!?!

I have the 8round. Might take a little more practice to get used to than the "broom-clip" holder style as you need to basically get your fingers kind of spread like a claw, feel between the shells, grab the shells, and kind of curl your fingers around them while you pull them out of the FSL. Haven't practiced nearly as much as I have with weakhand 4shell, but I'm able to get 6sec shoulder-to-shoulder remount with 8shell reload pretty consistently whereas the best I can manage with weakhand is 7secs with 8 shells if I don't fumble. The only "difficult" part to me is the last two rounds on the bottom that are resting on the bottom surface of the FSL......I have trouble getting a good consistent grip on those for some reason.....possibly because of the cutouts in the plastic. Supposedly the vest is easier/faster to use, as MarkCo has pointed out with time differences posted around here somewhere. Planning on trying the broom-clip style holders to see how it compares. Hey AustinWolv, Sounds like you are getting the hang of the caddie pretty quickly, that's awesome! One little technique thing that might help with the last two shells; come in at them from the face of the caddie instead of trying to come up through the bottom. If you come in from the face you can start the lift then hook around the shells as they come up the channels. Also, be sure that the retainers are not adjusted too tight on the bottom shells. When you have only one shell per side the wire retainer should just barely touch or be off the shell a little. This will allow them to come up the first bit more quickly and increase your consistency with that row. The way the retainers and channels work, you don’t have to worry about those shells rattling free. I hope that helps. Good luck with it and keep it up! James C.

I have run SSMM3G, Blue Ridge, Iron Man, RM3G, Nordic Components Tactical Shot Gun, Adam's Arms Ozark, and Multi-gun nationals with a combination of the Carbon Arms FSL caddies and Carbon Arms SSL chest rig. So far in all those matches I have only been able to knock one shell free. It was in a prone position at Blue Ridge and I was using the vest with only 16 rounds on it. It wasn't a problem because I didn't need all the rounds I had with me. After that I added 16 more rounds to the vest for Iron Man (for a total of 32 rounds) and with your body weight distributed across all those shells, I have not lost a single round since. The caddies have some potential for losing the top round on each side when prone if you are not careful. This has been a very small issue to date since a little planning before the stage can avoid the problem. That said; we are working on a modification that can be retrofit to the caddies to make the issue go away. I haven’t had any trouble at all with barricades. As for round count, as I said above the SSL vest can carry 32 rounds easily and the caddies carry either 8 or 12 rounds and it is no problem to get two or three caddies on the belt. James C. Well, Mark beat me to the reply while I was typing. As I say I did manage to knock one shell off but it wasn't a problem due to having extras planned in.

Well no matter how you load, it still helps to know how to shoot the shot gun too, and that's something that Kurt is pretty OK at.

Try to duplicate this failure again and when you do, before you wrack out the live round look in the action from the charging handle slot and determine if your hammer is down or cocked. If it is down, which I expect it is, what is probably happening is that you are actually somehow activating the trigger before the bolt is in battery. The SLP, as well as the Benellis, will drop the hammer while out of battery. I switched to the SLP to try to avoid this and personally have not had this problem, but it sounds way too familiar. What I think happens is that during bolt bounce the hammer falls but due to the bolt being back does not contact the firing pin, then when the bolt goes into battery it is only traveling a short distance and does not have enough oomph to slam fire or even get the pin to the primer at all. I really don't know what is causing the SLP hammer to drop, if this is indeed the problem, I might suggest trying to determine if you are riding the trigger and causing the gun to essentially bump mis-fire. I guess it could be sear engagment wear that is allowing the hammer to fall as well, but I think that is less likely. I would really like to hear what you find out. James C.

As someone who has tried the 2x load in lots of different positions, I will say that it is a lot more adaptable than you would think. That said, I definitely agree that there are still times that the weak hand load will be better suited to a particular situation. I definitely do NOT agree that you should just stick with one method. That would be like saying that since four wheel drive isn't the best answer in all situations you should just stick with two wheel drive. Use the two different techniques in their respective strong areas and you will get further down the road. Contrary to what you might think, it isn’t hard to program different loads into your stage plan.

Better solution now; switch to the the new K40 mags. Much nicer lips!

I'll toss another vote for the EAA in the hat! I know a lot of people claim reliability issues with them and I have seen some have problems but no more so than with the S*I variants. Personally I have three Limited guns and all have run beautifully, even when abused severely by grinding them in the moon dust of many of the major 3-gun venues. I have recently switched to the new K-40 and K-9 mags and now even the ammo is easier than the S*Is the new mags run factory length ammo flawlessly and require no tuning at all. The best part of this is, in a pinch you can run to Wal-Mart and grab ammo. An interesting thing about the Tanfo as well is that, as you see above, guys with large hands like the fit. In my case I went to Tanfo because I have short fat fingers and the S*Is bit me in different places and made shooting uncomfortable. The Tanfo fits my hands without having to do any modifications to the grip at all. (Not that I haven’t tried lots of mods; but I'm back to nice simple aluminum grips from Henning.) In the end though, whatever gun you go with make sure it fits comfortably and that YOU think it's the coolest, fastest, most accurate gun on the range and it won't matter what it is. Have fun choosing!

Here is a link to some Sketchup models for poppers. http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=d3bb2ee98c0e0340d7aec86e31cec4dc&prevstart=0 Worst case, you can pull the 2D info and use it CAD. Hope that helps.

Shhhh Bryan, not here I know that James uses Wolff ammo in his AR, and trap field rejects in his shotgun. I shudder to think what goes through his pistol. Wolf!?! What, am I made of money? I'm using Tulammo for everything; well except the trap rejects. It's amazing what people will through away.

I called them yesterday to ask about shipping ammo and was told No. They said I could buy ammo there but that they would not be accepting shipments from us. Hopefully, I just got someone who didn't know or that their stance has changed since I called, but I would recommend checking with them again before you ship.

Henning extending a road trip!

To paraphrase Andy when I asked him for this clarification at Blue Ridge, just plug it and it's not going to be an issue. The RO's have better things to do than try to keep track of how many rounds have been loaded in the tube. Super easy way to plug your 9rnd tube to 8 is, cut the crimp off a spent hull and put it in the tube in front of the spring with the case head at the rear. Just like if the shell were loaded in the tube normally, but in front of the mag spring.

How about for DA/SA pistols (CZ 75's, Tanfoglio Stock II's, Sig P226, etc.) ? Presumably they can be abandoned with the safety on, or do they have to be abandoned with the hammer down? Hammer back is fine with these guns, as long as the safety remains engaged. The same problem exists, however, that because there is no secondary (automatic) safety like a grip safety, if, in the action of putting the gun down the safety gets caught on something and disengages and you leave it that way, you’re done. With the guns mentioned above it’s a little less of a problem as the safety itself is smaller and less likely to hook up on things, but still something to pay attention to. Coalburner50, I think you will be very happy with the Hunter. As for the holster, the only one I have used with it is a Ghost, not something I would really recommend for 3-Gun. I use a Blade-Tech for 3-Gun with my Limited guns. Ping Henning’s Shop and I know they will be able to help you out there. Or for that matter, I'm sure someone here knows a good holster too. I hope you have a great time with 3-Gun. It’s a hoot!

Very true if there is any movement at all to the abandonment area, then the drop rack and lock is no biggy. However, at a lot of the bigger matches there are shots required all the way to the drop point, so the added time to clear does make a difference. I am certainly not trying to push anyone away from a Tanfo, I love mine and I agree that the advantage I gain by shooting it vs the other options is worth it to me. I just don't want a new 3-gunner to wish they had been given more info.

As one of the guys out there shooting a Tanfo in 3-Gun I would say; Welcome aboard! They are great guns; I would opt for the Hunter or a Limited in 45 over the Match. Partly due to the Mag well Henning makes and partly due to all the other great parts he does that work on those two guns. I shoot the Limited 40 in both 3-gun and USPSA and Love the things. I would definitely agree with Nealio in doubting that the Hunter would cause you problems in transition speed. Two things play into that consideration. One, the pistol in 3-gun is a lot different than it is in USPSA. There is less weight on super-fast splits and transitions and more weight on accuracy, Yes even with neutralization scoring, there are a lot more steel targets, at greater distances. Second, look up Henning's Hunter some time. He has had Rich at Canyon Creek do some amazing cutting on it and it's swing weight isn't much more than a stock Limited gun. All that said, I would recommend that you make the decision carefully between the Tanfo and a 1911 or M&P or Glock or XD. We do a lot of abandoning "hot" guns in 3-gun. What this amounts to is leaving a pistol "on safe or empty" in some kind of bucket/shelf etc. With the striker fired guns all that means in putting the thing in the abandonment area pointing the correct direction. With Tangfos and 1911s you have to be careful to engage the safety and then abandon the gun without disengaging it. Sounds easy but I have watched top competitors get DQed for having a safety get caught on the carpet in the dump area etc. and disengage. So what that really means is if you want to run those guns you are best to drop the mag, rack the gun and then abandon. However, with 1911s (a new rule at some matches) is that if you have a functional grip safety and abandon a loaded gun with the thumb safety NOT engaged, you are still ok. The Tanfo does not give you this option. For these reasons, the Tanfo may not be the best choice for 3-gun. I have been tempted to go back to Glock or jump to an M&P because of the dump issue; by the way I drop and clear every time I have to abandon. At the end of the day though, I just like my Tanfo too much to switch. Hope that helps. James Casanova TY54966

Mark beat me to it.

Add another name to the "Class Act" category; Chris. You definitely belong there with Pat. Nice shooting yourself; and good vids! Sorry about the bummer break on Stage 9, and I don't mean the plate. Despite the bumps in the road with this match I was and am blown away by how openly ALL the shooters I talked to shared information and experience on stages. There are too many to name so I will just put out a general Thank You! I had a great time at the match and got to shoot with an unbelievably entertaining squad. I don't envy Kirk or Larry for the decision they had to make but I admire them for making a decision, and I'm glad they and all the staff worked so hard so that we could have some fun running around and shooting. Thanks to 3Gun Nation for their coverage of our game and Thank You! whole heartedly to all the sponsors that make the prize tables worth fighting over! I look forward to shooting with all of you at the next match.