Chuck Anderson

I would be extremely disappointed in any MD who took that approach. That's why two shooters from my section were bumped to Open at Nationals a couple years back because they had grip plugs in. Enforcement of the rules at local matches would have saved them a lot of heartache. People were doing a lot of things that weren't intended under the Production rules for a lot of years. That's why the new set kicked in a couple years ago. Hoping to clarify things and make it very clear what people can and can't do to their guns. The rule regarding refinishing has been on the books a long time. So what is it you want the BOD to do. Change the rule, since we only seem to screw it up every time we do? Issue a ruling from NROI that is contrary to what the rule says and cause more confusion? Someone asked the question, I asked the BOD/DNROI for clarification. When the answer wasn't what I expected I asked John to make a ruling on it so it would be out there for everyone. Would you rather have a CRO at Nationals decide to read the rule book and bump a bunch of people to Open for it?

Which part? All of it? The last sentance? Yes, without getting into an IPSC vs. USPSA debate they have way more issues enforcing the rules and dealing with the myriad of issues that arise from their rules. Speaking as someone who has shot IPSC as well as USPSA Production, I didn't see a single out of the box gun at either event.

I'm betting money you've never shot an IPSC match in Production to make that statement.

Nope, no Production shooters on the BOD. Well, I've been shooting Production since 2005 but clearly I don't count in your book. Phil Strader is on the Gold Team representing the US at the World Shoot in Production, but I guess he doesn't count either. The BOD didn't mess with Production with this ruling. It's enforcing the rules that have been there for years. (easily 2009, and if memory serves the comp advantage has been part of the refinishing allowance since it was added)

Some of the rules seem inconsistent, I guess, but they are the rules. It may seem inconsistent with the spirit of Production to allow milling of slides for sights. It's not okay to mill lightening cuts in the slide. That's the rule. It was done that way so some platforms wouldn't have competetive advantages over another. Stippling of the grips is the same way. It was done to create equality between the Glock, with non interchangeable grip panels, and say a Sig Sauer. I could get stippled grips for the Sig as aftermarket grips. Allowing stippling gave some measure of equality. The rules for Production were revamped two years ago with the specific intent of making it as easy as possible to know what you can do to the gun and what you can't and to make those rules more easily enforcable. Gun in box, gun on scale, look at gun. We didn't want to get into IPSC level rules where you might have to completely disassemble a gun to find out if it's legal. Read the rule regarding refinishing the gun and tell me this ruling is wrong. You can argue the rule may be inconsistent with what you think Production should be but the ruling is dead on with the rule.

Because stippling is specifically allowed in the rulebook. Refinishing for a competetive advantage is specifically disallowed. The rule was probably not originally intended to prohibit a dab of nailpolish but rather to allow people to have their guns refinished so they looked pretty and still be legal. What they didn't want to have happen was some super finish that would provide a competetive advantage, like someone refinishing their slide with 120 grit and saying it's just a refinish. There had to be a line and this just happened to be where it ended up. You don't understand because you don't want to and you do want to argue about it.

Amen. It was okay from the front, and the back, but the side view when she bent over was awful. Didn't fit worth a damn. Lauren's outfit was hugely misconceived. I couldn't help but think that if her butt gets any bigger, 1.) it will be available on GoogleMaps, 2.) and will show satellites circling it. I thought it looked like she was wearing an adult diaper. Guess having a skinny blonde chick dress a group as diverse as that might not have been the best idea. At least they all looked ridiculous.

Ok, he would shoot L10 or Limited minor, if someone noticed the paint in time. If not, it's off to Open for him. And when they do tell him he's in Limited or L10 due to his white out, the question is likely to be "why?" The answer of course is, "No one knows. We don't understand the rule, but we have to abide by it." Assuming those at the top have an interest in growing the sport, is that the message that new shooters are supposed to be getting? I mean, I can explain the other rules of Production even if I don't agree with them, but with this one I'm at a loss. Because the rules say you can refinish the gun, but not for a competetive advantage. Why are you adding the dot if not for competetive advantage? To make you slower? Of course not. Production is a division where you really can spend a lot of money on the gun, although it's clearly not needed. It's intended to be as few modifications as possible. Yes, many things have gotten through over the years and the rules reflect that. The BOD in 2009 really made an effort to clean up the language in Production and did a pretty good job. Wanting it to be different doesn't make it so. If you want to add a dot, shoot a different division.

That would be confusing if it was anywhere near accurate. Fortunately it's not. You're hypothetical shooter with the G19 would just shoot Lim 10, or Limited, or remove the little dab of white out till he got home again. The only way he would be in Open is if he was bumped from Production because someone didn't let him know about his illegal gun. SFinney. You make the argument that we're driving people away with oppressive impossible to understand rules and we should let people have these minor modifications. We do, in almost every other Division. Production is the only one this mark is not allowed in. I would make the argument that many more people have come to USPSA exactly because there is a division for stock or nearly stock guns. There was no official vote by the BOD on this ruling. I didn't agree with it, but the rules are actually pretty clear cut. You're changing the finish for a competetive advantage. Which is specifically prohibited. As much as I wanted it to go the other way, I can't really argue that it's ever been legal to do in Production. I did ask John to issue the ruling because of the seeming amount of confusion regarding the rule. This is not a rule change or even really a clarification. It's specifically stated in the rules you can't do it. For the grip tape crowd, I brought this up and the answer was basically good luck. I really doubt there would be any advantage to doing so. If you put it on the outside of the gun well you really can't see it. If you put in the magwell...who am I kidding, who would be dumb enough to put skateboard tape in their magwell? I've got a hard enough time getting them in the gun without making the opening smaller and stickier.

There are two versions of the Black Dog 32 rounder. I ran mine this weekend with no problems, but it's the second generation.

Sorry guys. I don't think it's a big deal to paint the inside of the well but the rules are the rules, even when they seem a bit...off.

CR Speed and adjustable magazine pouches are legal in USPSA Production. I've been using them for years. Angle them however you want. They just have to be within the 2" rule.

So what am I missing. I though Max shot a 75?

For what you're looking for, really any gun monkey can put it together. It's really easy to slap an AR together that will print 1 1/2 to 2 MOA all day long, and cheap. You don't need a custom builder for that, you really just need someone with a pulse. That said, there are some really great AR builders out there. Several have been mentioned. The only one I like that I didn't see was Triangle Shooting Sports. I have rifles from JP and lowers from Firebird. I've also talked a lot with Jim and would have no problem having him build me a rifle. If it was me, for the difference in price between an off the shelf rifle and upgrading a bit in components it's a no brainer. I'd be running better than stock. Have Jim put you together a 16" Lothar Walther barrel, mid length gas system and one of those funny looking carbon fiber forends and you'll have a very quick, easy to use carbine for IDPA that she can use for USPSA and IMGA multi gun as well. Does IDPA allow muzzle breaks?

My guess is there is really no way to discuss the actions that took place at the Steel Nationals without violating the forum rules. This is not the place to discuss the actions of specific individuals and what actions the USPSA BOD will take in response to those actions. The USPSA BOD is aware of what happened. Its being handled.

What kind of AR are you looking for Duane, a basic M-4 style plinker, a high end competition rifle, something in a pretty color or ???

Something else to throw in the mix. Looks like USSA was sold on March 30, 2011. The guys that bought it say they are planning to leave it open. This range really does have a massive amount of space and could more than accommodate the main match, practice range and heck probably even another practice match. Not that I particularly want to go back to Tulsa but the NRA should at least consider all the options before making a decision.

That's the website for the Cobalt plating. The "Copper Canyon" is done by Eifeler Laffer. Not sure if Matt is using them or not anymore. I just got my gun back and it's black chromed (which looks awesome).

So for the Shotgun round count. Is this straight up birdshot, slugs, buck? Anything needed other than a few boxes of Wally World?

Talked to my SureFire rep a week or two ago and he said no one has them. He didn't have an ETA either.

I ran Green Mountain and W Waller when I first started. Ran them both for a lot of years and they worked awesome. Really durable and easy to find things. The only reason I switched to what I'm using now is I started travelling by air more to matches and it was easier to use a bag that collapsed a bit when packing. I'm actually finally selling my original range bags (see the classifieds.) I'm currently using a Blackhawk Stingray now. Works great for me. And it's lasted several years.

No, the aluminum ones will not hold up. They are a horrible invention and should not have even been out on the market. I have a brand new Mil-Spec BCG that I'm willing to trade you just so that you won't run the risk of damaging your rifle. All kidding aside, I've been running aluminum BCG's in my JP's since 2000 when I bought my first one. Never had a problem with one...ever. I've never worn one out either.

For the slightly longer answer, the Fulcrum uses a different trigger. An aluminum part that protrudes into the trigger guard. Since that part is visible when the gun is in battery it's not legal. You can modify the internals, keeping all safeties intact, just nothing external other than specifically listed items.

SG carriers in the front, pistol mags next (working around) then the AR mag pouches behind the pistol mags. Overlap in the back because you'll have SG up front.

The downside to the first or second week of June is it still doesn't cover all the schools. Most of the schools in Oregon don't get out until the end of the second week, some even the third. The NRA has made some great steps in attracting cross division and new shooters with Production division. It would be a shame to lose those gains so quickly. AP, if it is just Metallic and Open is a very hard sport to attract new shooters to. The guns are very specialized, even Metallic. Without an entry point it's difficult to talk someone into spending 2-5K on a new Open gun that they can't use for any other sport. As far as the NRA looking to grow AP by attracting new shooters I think the reason is pretty clear. No offense, but you guys are old. I would imagine the average age in AP is significantly older than IDPA and USPSA. Without attracting new shooters to the match and getting new blood it will be difficult to continue AP in 10-20 years. I'm having a heck of a time getting folks to shoot AP locally even. We ran a match last weekend for 4 shooters. I was the youngest. The next was 57 and it went well up from there. As far as making the match shorter. It's easier for non-retired folks to get time off work for a shorter match. It's easier for everybody to pay for the match if they have 1 day less with a rental car and hotel. If AP gets to the point where the match is filling beyond capacity and it's alive and healthy, awesome, move it to a part of the calender that's packed with other matches and let people pick. But when you're not able to fill the match now, cutting off a key portion of shooters is not a strategically sound move. Yes for those at the match that AP is their primary sport they will shoot the Cup. Doesn't matter when you put it. But the goal isn't to hold the match for the 150 (probably less) hard core dedicated AP guys who will shoot this match over anything else. The goal (if I understand correctly) is to increase participation in the Cup as well as local matches, throughout the country. To make AP a popular sport that will bring the Cup back to it's glory days as the premier pistol championship. But I'm just guessing.