Question on stage ?

[Rub'n]

Is their any rule against shooting a stage weak hand only?

I set up a 20 round course which caused lots of debate.

It had a start box on both sides of the bay.

You could start in either one.

Gun holstered and unloaded...hands relaxed.

9 paper and 2 poppers.

All targets were visible except 1 from either side.

You had to move 12-15 yards to see those particular targets.

It was to give SS and production plenty of time to make the 1 reload needed.

For such a simple stage I got a lot of grief.

HaHa....

So was it a legal stage?

[Nghthwk1911]

The WSB said the entire stage is weak hand?

Yes there are lots of rules on this..

1.1.5 Freestyle

1.1.5.4 Only the last six can be stipulated weak hand

1.2.1.2 Med Course of Fire

[bret]

Are all shots taken or available from 1 position?

[ChuckS]

The way I see it, if you would of found some way to keep the strong hand busy during the stage (i.e. carry something), it would of been legal. But, you said that your "customers" gave you a lot of grief. Was that your goal?

Edited April 26, 2016 by ChuckS

[Rub'n]

No you could not shoot everything from a box or single position.

You had to move across not forward in the bay.

12-15 yards...

Reason: to make a person think differently.

Do something they don't practice over and over.

I was surprised how badly even masters did.

Btw...I shot limited minor.

And no I've never shot or practiced this either.

Their were no mandatory reloads.

basically an average stage.

[Racinready300ex]

Sounds like IDPA

[BARRYJ]

20 shots makes it a medium course and a medium course cannot be shot weak hand only.

[Rub'n]

Gotcha....on the medium.

Trust me it was nothing like IDPA....

It was a great slow walk straight line field course.

Of course only a revolver shooter could appreciate that ... HaHa

Btw....I left off the part where I have a handicap.

My right (strong hand) doesn't work that well due to a spinal cord injury.

But I deal with it.

It let me see how others would deal with a surprise in life.

I shot 3rd overall on the stage 73%

An A limited won

A Master open 2nd.

I'm usually near the bottom.

Thanks for cueing me in on the rules.

I mostly shoot for fun now.

Let's say it played out well.

[Sarge]

Not legal

[Rub'n]

A couple of new RO's said you couldn't make the shooter swap hands but since it was all weak they weren't sure.

I'll go with the flow and not use the scenario anymore.

[teros135]

Interesting stage. If it didn't have the "all weak hand" requirement (the part that made it illegal) it leads to a couple of possible strategies and the potential for shooters to practice shooting and reloading while moving across the COF.

[Rub'n]

I kind'a got the idea from shooting multi-gun.

Weak side rifle has bit me more than once.

Plus I've loaded off a table, out of a drawer, a briefcase, backpack, Etc.

never empty, holstered weak hand only with a pistol.

I like spicing the game up. Makes it more of a challenge.

I can't remember the last time I've needed my elbow pads on a stage.

Seems the game has dwindled in some respects.

Still fun tho!

[Rub'n]

I do enjoy making one think "out of the box"

The hidden target only goes so far ;-)

Edited April 26, 2016 by Rub'n

[kamikaze1a]

As ChuckS said, it would be "legal" if you used props to compel the shooter to use WHO, as in build the stage so that 14 shots required holding onto a rope or door with the right hand and then the last six rounds weak hand only...

[Rub'n]

Hmm...

I've got plenty of doors at the range.

And I've got some rope.

You've got me think'n.

[ChuckS]

Hmm...

I've got plenty of doors at the range.

And I've got some rope.

You've got me think'n.

Be sure to review rule 1.1.5.5

Edited April 27, 2016 by ChuckS

[kitsapshooter]

However if he builds it as a Standard Exercise IAW rule 1.1.5.3 he may specify shooting strong or weak hand from the point specified. such as after the draw.

I would like to see a stage drawing.

[kamikaze1a]

Standard Exercises and Classifiers may specify shooting with the strong hand or weak hand unsupported.

The specified hand must be used exclusively from the point stipulated for the remainder of the string or stage

Wouldn't you say that "for the remainder" would indicate that it was meant to start during the COF rather than immediately after the draw?

[Nik Habicht]

Standard Exercises and Classifiers may specify shooting with the strong hand or weak hand unsupported.

The specified hand must be used exclusively from the point stipulated for the remainder of the string or stage

Wouldn't you say that "for the remainder" would indicate that it was meant to start during the COF rather than immediately after the draw?

We have classifiers that specify firing weak hand only from the draw -- so that's legit. On the other hand, you need to follow all the other rules for standards and/or classifiers.....

[Mhall]

1.1.5.4 Medium or Long courses of fire may stipulate the use of either strong or weak hand, provided that only one hand, either strong or weak, is specified for no more than the last 6 shots required.

[kamikaze1a]

Standard Exercises and Classifiers may specify shooting with the strong hand or weak hand unsupported.

The specified hand must be used exclusively from the point stipulated for the remainder of the string or stage

Wouldn't you say that "for the remainder" would indicate that it was meant to start during the COF rather than immediately after the draw?

We have classifiers that specify firing weak hand only from the draw -- so that's legit. On the other hand, you need to follow all the other rules for standards and/or classifiers.....

But the OP said 20 shots WHO, one string...

[ChuckS]

However if he builds it as a Standard Exercise IAW rule 1.1.5.3 he may specify shooting strong or weak hand from the point specified. such as after the draw.

I would like to see a stage drawing.

What about rule 1.2.2.1?

[Mhall]

However if he builds it as a Standard Exercise IAW rule 1.1.5.3 he may specify shooting strong or weak hand from the point specified. such as after the draw.

I would like to see a stage drawing.

What about rule 1.2.2.1?

Yep. Still no loophole there either.

1.2.2.1 Standard Exercises - Courses of fire consisting of two or more separately timed component strings. Scores, with any penalties deducted, are accumulated on completion of the course of fire to produce the final stage results. Standard Exercises must only be scored using Virginia Count or Fixed Time. The course of fire for each component string may require a specific shooting position, procedure and/or one or more mandatory reloads. Standard Exercises must not require more than 24 rounds to complete. Component strings must not require more than 6 rounds (12 rounds if a mandatory reload is specified).

[kamikaze1a]

I think this applies?

Freestyle– USPSA matches are freestyle. Competitors must be permitted

to solve the challenge presented in a freestyle manner, and to shoot

targets on an “as and when visible” basis. Courses of fire must not

require mandatory reloads nor dictate a shooting position, location or

stance, except as specified below. However, conditions may be created,

and barriers or other physical limitations may be constructed, to compel

a competitor into shooting positions, locations or stances

[Rub'n]

Seems if I use props their's a gray area that fits my needs....I think.

Question: if the stage calls for carrying a briefcase in your strong hand could the round count be over 6 shots?