PistolPete Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 I'm currently using Bullseye with .45 ACP 185 grainers. The powder works great and I have a great load with it. The only thing I hate about this powder is it doesn't burn clean. Whenever I shoot a few hundred rounds I'm covered with filth from the powder. I get powder grains all over both my arms, hands, and clothes. Anyone using a fast burning powder that burns clean? Thanks, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterj Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Give Winchester Super Target a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 VV-N310 is next to Bullseye in the burn rate chart. It's clean. Way cleaner than Titegroup. -z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasag93 Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Wow, Titegroup has been tested by manufacturers and callled the cleanest burning power of all to date. If anyone wanted to know. TXAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete Posted September 15, 2003 Author Share Posted September 15, 2003 Many people at my range are using Titegroup and claim it is much cleaner than Bullseye. Maybe I'll pick some of this up and give it a try. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Titegroup is also about half the price of the VV powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 No doubt TG is cleaner than Bullseye, but the cleanest powder? How come the end of my 1911 is covered in soot after I finish practicing with TG loads? -z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 I've used TG and it's very clean. I have used other VV powders and they are the cleanest I've ever seen, but when it comes to economy I'll go with TG because VV powders are just expensive. josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggorloader Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 I like Hodgdon powders. I also like to try and keep my 45 as clean shooting as possible. Having said that I have been using two powders, Titegroup and Clays. Neither in my opinion burn "clean" just cleaner than most others I have tried. Titegroup burns cleanest (for me) at higher pressures and my load of 4.8 grains behind a 230 grain bullet seems to be the best. It does make a double charge on the 550B hard to detect because of the low volume in the case. Clays burns cleaner (for me) with lower velocity loads but the range where you can go is quite limited. The perceived recoil is lower for me than Titegroup and a double charge is more readily apparent. 3.8 grains behind a 230 grain bullet is a nice comfortable target load and burns pretty clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 I'll second the vote for Winchester Super Target. It is extremely clean and has a very little if any flash which is nice if you have to shoot in low light conditions. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 PP, There is a pile of load info on the 45 at 1911forum.com. The short list of fast powders for the 45 seem to be: - Clays - TG - VV 310 & 320 - WST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 I'll add another vote for Winchester Super Target (WST). Clean and soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherErik Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 I have used Clays, WST and n320 in 45 from bullets from 155-230 all are clean. Its a matter of preference You still wont be able to avoid cleaning your gun once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRG65 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 I have tried both vv 310 and 320 in 45 and 9mm. The 9mm accuracy wise perfers the 320, and feel I don't notice a difference. In the 45, 310 seems to be more accurate and feels softer. The price difference between TG and VV has never seemed that great to me. I buy mail order in 12-16 pound shipments. For the entire order, the difference is $45-60 which breaks down to less than 0.2 cents per round loading 3.5 grs/round. For the better "feel" and cleanliness that VV's provide, I'm quite willing to pay $2 extra per 1000 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larrys1911 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 I like TG. Its Cheap and clean for the most part. I can tell you not to WASTE your money one that AA powder suposedly designed FOR the 45 acp! AA#5 is CRAP at any load from min to .2 over max! CRAP!!!!! I dont think Unique is that bad! Hightech, I think you miscalculated a bit. Assuming you meant $.02/round X 1000 is $20.00 more not $2.00 Quite a bit, course I am frue...Freu...Fruge..... fruga......CHEAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRG65 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 No Larry I don't think miscalculated, but... here's my logic I use about 3.5 grs actually a little less, but 3.5 calculates easier. 3.5 grains per round 7000 grains per pound 2000 rounds per pound 16 pounds 32,000 rounds VV cost $60 more for 16 lbs than TG $60/32,000=$0.001875 dollars more per round to load VV than TG 0.001875 x 1000=$1.875 So the cost difference is less than 2 dollars per thousand rounds. When I was tried TG to make the same pf/function I needed to load about 0.5 grs more than the VV-320 even a bigger difference with the 310 (about a whole grain). So the cost difference would come out even lower by about 14% (1/7th) because for every 7 VV rounds I could load I can only load 6 TG's (using the 0.5 difference). This part is really "back of the envelope" because I don't have time to do a full analysis on both. But taking into accout the usage difference the cost per 1000 difference would be reduced to about $1.60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasag93 Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 The soot at the end of your barrel could be from bullet lube if shooting lead. I have noticed that the lower pressure loads with TG are dirtier than higher pressure loads. ??? TG is still a clean powder. Smokes something awful with low pressure lead loads... though, what powder doesn't. TXAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 HTR, Either you have a real good source for the VV powder or are paying too much for the TG. From my "local" store a lb of TG is $13 and a lb of VV runs around $24 depending on which one you want. No one I have found stocks anything bigger than the 1 lb canisters around these parts. Of course, I have to drive 70 miles to get VV or I can drive 17 miles to Walmart and get TG. At the price of gas ($1.91 when I filled up last week) you can guess why I shoot TG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 re: soot. I'm shooting 200gr West Coast plated RN bullets with 5.1gr Titegroup and getting the soot. This is not a "light" load. -z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 To add to the sootiness debate, I tried ~5gr TG under a JHP in 38 Super for steel and it was pretty dirty. Close to the Hogdon booklet's maximum load, so I don't think it's a 'low pressure' issue. In fairness, it was less dirty than a similar load using AA#5, but much dirtier than SR4756, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matzka Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Clays. 3.6-3.8 gr./230 gr. FMJ Burns cleaner than any other I've used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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