Larrys1911

OK I took some measurements. From what I can tell I have about .148 engagement on the "Drive T" into the clutch. I measure the roll pin at .130 so that leaves about .018 SO Im thinking the plate is just barely engaged on the drive because there is a radius on the clutch engagement surface.... Measuring from the top of the plate to the bowl is about .214 - .220 Larry

OK Dillon thanks for the help. I was using a formula can thats smaller than a 13oz coffee can ..... OK I tried loosining the clutch and turning the whole assembly.... then retightening it. Same problem. It looked and still looks well seated against the plate on both sides. The plate sits off the bowl about hte width of a rim on a 45, I can measure it with calipers if you need me too. The thing that sticks out to me is the engagement on the Drive to the clutch. Im going to say the engagement into the clutch is about the width of the roll pin that makes the "T". That seems like very little engagement. I also checked the screws attaching the motor to the bowl, they are tight. So what now? Larry

THanks Ill check that when I get home. I did check the protrusion of the drive "T" that sticks up. Its right at 3/16" which seems like it would be on the "just barely enough" engagement. The cross part of the Drive "T" (whatever its called) is just barely engaging the plate. YEa I did check there is nothing under the plate and it is pretty close to dragging the bowl but I didnt measure clearance. Thanks for the help. And just out of curiosity how many should I be able to put in there without problems? LP

Well its not really even letting the clutch work most of the time, its popping the plate off the drive "t" Im kinda lost on this one. Looks to me like the drive "T" it too short to engage properly. I called Dillon and the Tech told me "No the Case feeder will only take 100 rounds of 45........ I kinda think thats silly so I thought I would post here and see. Oh but I did both tighten and loosen the clutch. Larry

OK im not sure if Im doing something wrong or the machine is messed up or what.... Heres the problem. I just got my 650, got everything set up to load 45 acp and started.... everything is great except the casefeeder will only take 100 - 125 pieces of brass before it bogs down and stops or slips the clutch OR kickes the plate off the drive "T" Is this correct? I can only put 100+- rounds of brass in there at a time??? I have a friend that had three 650s and he said he thought he used to run 250+ rounds without a problem... but that was a while back so...... I noticed on Dillons site where the 1050 takes 250 - 300 pcs somewhere I thought I saw where they were the same feeder? SO is something wrong with the feeder or is that the norm? TIA LP

Well, Just got off the phone with the helper AGAIN...this morning Interesting conversation where little was said but volumes were spoken. me "When is he gonna call me?" Helper "Well I gave him the message. He's been kinda busy but he has your number." me "so I guess you guys dont think this a big deal?" Silence him " I gave him the message" me "so you see nothing wrong with the work on this gun?" H " well not really...no" Me " what does not really mean" H" NO I dont see anything wrong with it" me "So you dont mind me showing it off and saying you did it? " H " Well no I dont " Me" OK good enough" Click Call back about 5 min later me "So whats YOUR last name? " H "why do you need MY name" Me " well you said you have no problem with me showing it off and crediting it to you! " H " Look I work for XXXX Im NOT getting involved in THIS! " CLICK SO I guess now I know dont I! __________________ Larry P

Wide45 Uh, Ok I will be nice. lets address those.. Broken rail.... thats nothing new Call EGW and ask. I did. George LAUGHED at me... and replied you arent the first one by any means. TO BE CLEAR HERE EGW DID NOT NOT NOT do this smiths have been welding the rails to tighten slide to frame fit for years. nothing unusual here. so that one its a no go. yea it woulda been better than new... So youre wrong there. to the beavertail... I have ZERO Idea what you are talking about being "messed up" here. nothing and I mean NOTHING was wrong with the beavertail. I asked for it to be welded so a .25 radius beavertail could be fitted. I like the wilson beavertail. Springfield uses an oddball size raduis and you have to use a special beavertail or leave it stock OR have it welded and recut... something else thats been going on for years. This wasnt work that HAD to be done it was something I WANTED done. If it was beyond his abilities he shoulda said right then and there. If he hadnt touched the beavertail area the frame would still be in good shape. So youre wrong again. now. If you cant do something you tell the guy up front. No harm, no foul. There was nothing unusual about what I asked him to do, he accepted the job with no hesitation at all. he was sent digital pictures of the frame rails well before I handed the gun to him on a gun range and he said it would be no problem to fix both times. It was In his hands to see and touch. he had ample oportunity to say I cant do this for you. No sir that dog wont hunt. OOPS one more thing... he sets his prices not me, so the amount of money agreed to means notta! He agreed to do the job, he agreed to do it for his price. end story.

Shred, Ive been on here a long time and you and I have talked on occasion. I am not aiming this at you or this forum or any other for that matter.. THANK YOU and the 1911 Forum for LEAVING this up. there is one rather big forum that it stayed on for about 20 min before they deleted it.... GONE I was sent a private message. PLEASE DO NOT POST THINGS LIKE THIS ON THIS SITE... So I appeciate the sites that have let it go. Heres the beef though and as I said its not against this site, Brian, or you, or anyone in particular its just a general observation on my part... I got a email from a gunsmith today with his phone # attached and "CALL ME" we talked about this for a while but I was absolutely astonished at one thing he said... Larry you will be blackballed by everyone in the gunsmithing industry if you keep this up.... HOLY SHIT this is amazing. This guy aint a flyby night smith, in fact hes a member here on this forum. I will bet money that there are several of the members that know him and probably have guns built by him. I personally know 4 ppl that have his guns right now. everything from carry to full blown race guns. hes had guns featured in magazines. this work is absolutely unacceptable. And guess what im told...... I SHOULD WALK ON EGG SHELLS.... WTF is up here guys? If this was zumbo saying something anti gun, by God we can RUIN his life. we'll all stand up and he wont be able to get a job writing freakin want ads for the town paper. But a well known smith RUINS my gun (Ive been told I may as well by a new frame and probably barrel too because it will be cheaper than fixing that one) and I get...... SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH its not like he put the wrong site on my gun or left a couple tool marks or scratched the finish or charged more than he said he was going to by 50-100$ he RUINED MY GUN. It really is amazing how the gun industry does things when you think about it. Guy says he thinks Black rifles are evil - hes SCREWED Guy Ruins a gun, we try to protect his rep.. Just venting

now that the 1911 forum seems to be back up... Heres the links to "the rest of the story" What do I do now? Gunsmith has gun and I cant get him! http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=161392 Professional? http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=166537 Hope its OK to do that I really dont feel like retyping the whole thing. Hsmith.... While dumping it is whats gonna end up happening this is no where near being over as far as im concerned. Ive been told by a couple smiths so far that it looks like its time for a new frame at min... because its no feasaable to fix this one.

Guys I got this back from a well known smith last friday. there are a couple posts up on the 1911 forum about it in Gunsmithing you can read the whole story if you like.. one is Professional ? the other is what to do if a GS wont return your gun or close.. heres the pictures http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/Shooter45_photo/ Im pretty sick

forgot..... somebody Forgot..... Somebody FORGOT..... SOMEBODY FORGOT SOMEBODY HELL YOU forgot ME Most important in my own mind..... Congrats Man! LP

Uh..... WHat ya gonna be shooting big boy? Inquiring minds STILL want to know Off list is fine

This is my disconnect with you.. If the CoF says move to cover and engage, you have no "forgiveness" available for shooting in TS while on the move any more than for shooting TP on the move! If they dont follow the CoF and shoot behind cover TS wont (shouldnt) matter. 3 seconds..... DING! Maybe I dont understand what you are saying above! LP My posts on this subject were all in reference to Phara's snenario that he gave and how he shot it. He said that the course description only said that you were to shoot the targets as they become visible. There was no instruction that all the tagrets had to be shot from cover only. The rule book doesn't say that targets can only be shot from cover. It says that if cover is available it must be used. He did that. He engaged the steel from cover, reloaded from cover, and engaged targets from the second shooting position from cover. I saw nothing in the course descrition that said T1-T3 had to be shot from the cover of the 1st position. Therefore, I would not have given him a FTDR. The course designer may have intended the shooters to shoot them from cover, but he needs to do a better job of writting down what he means, rather than expecting others to read his mind. If a shooter chooses to shoot T1-T3 while on the move and out in the open, I would expect him to definitely be moving and neutralizing targets, or I may assess a procedural penalty, just as I would if the course designer had specifically required in the course description that those 3 targets had to be shot on the move. Also, 3 targets can be neutralized faster in TS than they can in TP, provided that your one shot on each is at least worth 4 points. Once a target is neutralized, it is no longer a threat, even though it is still going to require a second round for scoring purposes, and to avoid a miss penalty. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I understood you to be saying that if the shooter had engaged in the open using TS that would be OK but you would PE the guy if he used TO, when the CoF wasnt written that way! Larry P

This is my disconnect with you.. If the CoF says move to cover and engage, you have no "forgiveness" available for shooting in TS while on the move any more than for shooting TP on the move! If they dont follow the CoF and shoot behind cover TS wont (shouldnt) matter. 3 seconds..... DING! Maybe I dont understand what you are saying above! LP

Normally thats done at our range. Always for sanctioned matches. In reality I think this is a non issue at most sanctioned matches. Mark, I agree but thats life too! Larry P