winter5470 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I have been using Titegroup with 115 grain CMJ in 9 mm. I have been happy with it but at 4.2 grains it does not even fill half of the case. Does anybody have a powder they like for 9 mm that will overflow the case with a double charge? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I have been using Titegroup with 115 grain CMJ in 9 mm. I have been happy with it but at 4.2 grains it does not even fill half of the case. Does anybody have a powder they like for 9 mm that will overflow the case with a double charge?Thanks Is this a major load? For 9 Major I use VV N-350. It fills up the case for a 170 PF. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) 4.7gr of WST fills more than half the case. Does 4.2gr of Titegroup even make minor for you with a 115 CMJ? Edited January 28, 2009 by High Lord Gomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter5470 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) Sorry, I should have told you I shoot minor. Chrono last week avg. over 10 rounds was 1149 from a glock 19. (range was 1104-1179) I like the snappy feel of the TG. I get good accuracy. I look in every case before puting a bullet in place. But I am sure a few people look in every case and still get a double charge. Just trying to reduce the chance of a double charge. Edited January 28, 2009 by winter5470 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganShootist Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I understand that all the VV powders would "over fill"... I use TG in .45 and a tripple charge is possible in that caliber I'm guessing that would catch your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Solo 1000 would be at or over the top of the case. Nice fluffy, high volume powder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Vigilante Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 VV N320 would fill your requirements. I have been using Titegroup with 115 grain CMJ in 9 mm. I have been happy with it but at 4.2 grains it does not even fill half of the case. Does anybody have a powder they like for 9 mm that will overflow the case with a double charge?Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Clays and Unique both are well over half full at Minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mds131s Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 4.7gr of WST fills more than half the case.Does 4.2gr of Titegroup even make minor for you with a 115 CMJ? Yes 4.2 gr does make a pretty hot minor load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mds131s Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 IMHO I think instead of changing your powder you need to see if there is a way that you don't load a double charge or get a sensor that will tell you when the case is loaded to full. Again IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 VV N320 would fill your requirements. I'll second that recommendation. I use N320 in 9mm, and I think it's a very nice "feature" that there's no way to double charge the casing without that being very obvious through overflow. Actually, with this powder - and charge weights in the 3.8 to 4.4 grain range - there's not a whole helluva lot of air space left under the bullet when it's seated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnichols Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Alliant Power Pistol. I'm loading 5.7 gr. under a 115 JHP. It's doing around 1150 fps and is KILLER (in a good way) accurate. ES of never more than 30 fps. It's kind of the "sleeper" 9mm powder ie you don't hear of alot of folks using it, yet I've had fantastic results with it in my G17/G34. It is a touch on the snotty side, but runs the gun really flat and fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJDOUBLETAP Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I can think of three options that you could do. 1. Keep it all the same. If you are checking inside of every case to check for double charges there is about 0 chance of one happening. Double charges don't just happen. To get one you would have to go down with the handle twice before bringing it up and rotating the shell plate to the next station, you would probably feel somthing different on that stroke... 2. Use the same powder with a lighter bullet. Although 115 is already pretty light, MG makes a 95 gr. bullet and Remington makes a deadly accurate 88 gr. JHP. By useing a lighter bullet is will take more powder to get up to minor power factor. 3. Switch to VVN320. Its very clean, gives very consistent readings on the chrono, and is probably a little more accurate. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasOPM Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 700X overfills the case with a double charge. I use 4.5 gr under a 115 gr Berry, for 1140 or so out of my G17. I don't know why I like it, but I do. Oh yeah, 700X is cheeeeeaaaap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustySocket Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I have been using Titegroup with 115 grain CMJ in 9 mm. I have been happy with it but at 4.2 grains it does not even fill half of the case. Does anybody have a powder they like for 9 mm that will overflow the case with a double charge?Thanks Unique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I am much more worried about loading a case with NO powder, a squib, than I am a double charge. I load on both a 550B and a super 1050 and I look into each and every case before I place a bullet on for seating. Only way to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter5470 Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 Thanks all for the great ideas! I am new (1200 loads so far on a 550) to reloading. Surfing the forums I see people who claim to look into every case - load 90,000+ and then get a double charge. So mistakes happen even to the most experienced loader. I am guessing they are much more likely to a begginer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) PowerPistol: That powder will take you all the way to Major - so it is a safe choice for minor too. And, slow powders like PP and N350 are reported to deliver the very best accuracy in 9mm - though at the price of increased perceived recoil and additional muzzle blast. For Minor only, you want to look at Solo 1000. It is very clean and is the BEST compromise between excellent feel and great accuarcy. Alliant Power Pistol. I'm loading 5.7 gr. under a 115 JHP. It's doing around 1150 fps and is KILLER (in a good way) accurate. ES of never more than 30 fps. It's kind of the "sleeper" 9mm powder ie you don't hear of alot of folks using it, yet I've had fantastic results with it in my G17/G34. It is a touch on the snotty side, but runs the gun really flat and fast. Edited January 29, 2009 by Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) Personally I use WSF but powders such as Unique, HS-700X, Power Pistol and American Select would also fit your needs. Edited January 29, 2009 by TonyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 3. Switch to VVN320. Its very clean, gives very consistent readings on the chrono, and is probably a little more accurate. I like #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I am much more worried about loading a case with NO powder, a squib, than I am a double charge. Dillon sells a sensor that fits into the (normally empty) station 3 on the 650 that goes off if the casing (1) has a double charge, (2) has no powder at all. Though I realize the chances of either occurrence are small indeed, still I'm awating delivery of my unit, just for the peace-of-mind factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterB Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 700X overfills the case with a double charge. I use 4.5 gr under a 115 gr Berry, for 1140 or so out of my G17. I don't know why I like it, but I do. Oh yeah, 700X is cheeeeeaaaap. +1 on 700X. Started using it in 9mm minor because I had a keg left over from my trap shooting days. A double charge will definately overfill and spill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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