Bill Filiaga Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Those look like some fun stages. Standing start to prone, 10 yds weakhand, Virginia count? Now there is a shooting position you don't see very often! I've never even tried stronghand/weakhand prone, but you can bet I will before June. Define prone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Those look like some fun stages. Standing start to prone, 10 yds weakhand, Virginia count? Now there is a shooting position you don't see very often! I've never even tried stronghand/weakhand prone, but you can bet I will before June. Define prone? Umm---face down, toes, knees and belt buckle in contact with the ground?? Why do you ask? Thinking of doing the "on your back and shoot between the toes" position?. There's a name for that--Supine. Tim? Troy?---you want to jump in here? Kneeling is defined in the rules, but not prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Filiaga Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Those look like some fun stages. Standing start to prone, 10 yds weakhand, Virginia count? Now there is a shooting position you don't see very often! I've never even tried stronghand/weakhand prone, but you can bet I will before June. Define prone? Umm---face down, toes, knees and belt buckle in contact with the ground?? Why do you ask? Thinking of doing the "on your back and shoot between the toes" position?. There's a name for that--Supine. Tim? Troy?---you want to jump in here? Kneeling is defined in the rules, but not prone. Hey Open, Not sure how I would shoot it yet, it would depend on height of targets grade/slop of range etc...... might even consider on the side similar to roll over prone who knows, looks to be only a forward fault line....just thought I would like to see a definition for prone. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I'm not Tim or Troy but Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary defines it as face down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Egan Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I'm not Tim or Troy but Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary defines it as face down. Easily handled in the written stage briefing....Gotta leave a few surprises for ya! Shirt design is my avatar. TimE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-10_shooter Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Is there an eta on the match book and the scedule of events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 ....Gotta leave a few surprises for ya!TimE I happened to talk with Floyd cuz we're running this stage at our clubs match this weekend and got the skinny on how its going to be worded....and I ain't talkin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2ipsc Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 So, how'd it go?! Devious minds want to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 So, how'd it go?! Devious minds want to know... check your email... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) I don't think I've ever been so uncomfortable shooting a pistol as I was prone and weakhand! Holy shiet that was odd! Advice for everyone, practice this position. It's easily doable, but your instincts will play tricks on you if you're not practiced. So is "prone" NOT defined in the rulebook? Could that be a problem? It sure would be appreciated if folks were informed about what "prone" means as it relates to the Area 1 match. Chest? Stomach? Both? Side of rib-cage considered prone? Should the legalities of a standard shooting position be public knowledge prior to Level III match? From the rule book: Shooting position . . . The physical presentation of aperson’s body (e.g. standing, sitting, kneeling, prone). Kneeling . . ..A body position wherein at leastone knee is in contact with the ground or stage surface Standing (8.2.2)..Unless otherwise specified, for a handgun start, the competitor must stand erect, facing downrange, with arms hanging naturally by the sides. Edited April 20, 2009 by TDean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Egan Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Folks, Please rest assured that we will either define "Prone" in the written stage briefing, or provide other means for achieving the intent of the stage as posted, and that once the match committee has finalized that, all competitors will know it prior to match day. No one is keeping anything a secret on the standards right now, but we are aware that there is no definition of prone at this point. Also - We have shooting slots available on all squads for SPONSORS their sponsored shooters, we will fit you into the match, we've left room for you. Please PM me or AlphaFemale for details on sponsorship opportunities. TimE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuck in C Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I always preferred "rollover prone" for shooting a pistol. I hope it's written so that is allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I much prefer the vertical prone, it's real easy on the knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Egan Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Folks, Lots of good talk about trying to define prone - here and in private emails. We decided to make the standards freestyle - thru a low port. How you get thru it will be up to you instead of the rule book. Enjoy! TimE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubback Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 'Tim Egan' Folks, Lots of good talk about trying to define prone - here and in private emails. We decided to make the standards freestyle - thru a low port. How you get thru it will be up to you instead of the rule book. Enjoy! TimE Okay Tim.Now you can explain how you plan to solve the wall problem/shoot through issue. Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Egan Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 'Tim Egan' Folks, Lots of good talk about trying to define prone - here and in private emails. We decided to make the standards freestyle - thru a low port. How you get thru it will be up to you instead of the rule book. Enjoy! TimE Okay Tim.Now you can explain how you plan to solve the wall problem/shoot through issue. Bubba Soft cover................. Ok, the ports are constructed of a 2x4 box 8 feet long 1 foot high. You'll be shooting over the closer ports. And that reminds me of this important announcement: May First is fast approaching.... The match entry fee goes up to $125 for entries postmarked after May 1, 2009. Anyone thinking about getting a match shirt as well needs to order by May 1. We can accommodate special requests for a few of the closed shooting periods for sponsored shooters and for folks wanting to shoot area 5 as well. Peace, TimE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 You folk are making things way too hard with the "Prone" thing. IF you want to practice. Practice all the positions possible and you'll have it covered !!! Me, I guess I just try what comes into mind when I see the stage. I'm a firm believer in the KISS meathod. See ya there, Hop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Egan Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Folks, May 1 is fast approaching, entries postmarked after that date will need to have $125 included instead of $99. Anyone wishing to add a shirt to their closet is also asked to order by May 1. A few slots are available in most shooting periods for sponsors and extenuating circumstances. Final stage diagrams are posted, but expect changes once it's on the ground as well. TimE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Only 2 slots left in the USSA class. If you want in, nows the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Well, all I'm waiting on now is the time to go. Match entry......................Done Hotel room.......................Done Rental Car........................Done Ammo..............................Done Gun.................................Done Let's PLAY !!!! Hop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 So................... what is the elevation there at Parma, Idaho ???? Are you Mountain guys going to Kill us low landers ???? AND, Here is a really tricky question. Will I loose or gain FPS with my load (4.1 gr. Clays, 230 grn FMJ, Federal LP MATCH) ? vs, here in South West TN ? Hop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 So...................what is the elevation there at Parma, Idaho ???? Are you Mountain guys going to Kill us low landers ???? AND, Here is a really tricky question. Will I loose or gain FPS with my load (4.1 gr. Clays, 230 grn FMJ, Federal LP MATCH) ? vs, here in South West TN ? Hop Looks like it's about 2200 feet and change. Doubt it will make a difference either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Thanks Chuck. Hop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihatepickles Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 So...................what is the elevation there at Parma, Idaho ???? Are you Mountain guys going to Kill us low landers ???? AND, Here is a really tricky question. Will I loose or gain FPS with my load (4.1 gr. Clays, 230 grn FMJ, Federal LP MATCH) ? vs, here in South West TN ? Hop The elevation won't make much difference but the humidity difference might, it's 10% humidity year-round so your zero might be slightly off on long shots. The only shade will be under tents (if there are any tents there) and be prepared for 45 mph wind carrying dust. I'm not kidding... Look for MGM Ironman videos from previous years for an idea of what I mean, the MGM Ironman is shot at the Parma range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashdown Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 While we're talking specifics, what's the range surface like? Looks like a gravel pit in the aerial photos. Is it hard pan with loose rocks on top? Several inches of loose rock? Round rock or crushed? Gravel/Dirt mix? Like the 18th green at Pebble Beach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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