Fed up, need some load advice

[ffl]

So typical. You find something that works better, they don't want you using it. They sure don't want anyone to become too fast or too proficient.

I'm not defending it. I could not defend it with the rule book if I wanted to since there is nothing in it other than you have to make 125. It's just what is for whatever reason.

So if it's NOT in the rule book that you can't you can't

it does not make sense.

So if you go to a match and the rules in the book don't count, you can get disqualified because someone is upset because you were smarter than the average bear and smarted yourself an advantage that is acceptable?

Maybe that's why I don't shoot IDPA

Edited September 3, 2008 by ffl

[revchuck]

Folks - With all due respect, this thread is supposed to concern revolver loads, not how to further bash IDPA rules. Can we please keep it on track?

FWIW, I don't give a rodent's rectum about which brass is used.

[RePete]

Folks - With all due respect, this thread is supposed to concern revolver loads, not how to further bash IDPA rules. Can we please keep it on track?

FWIW, I don't give a rodent's rectum about which brass is used.

+2 on that.

Use what you what as long as you meet the caliber and PF conditions.

[Round_Gun_Shooter]

Chuck already said it

Edited September 4, 2008 by Round_Gun_Shooter

[Carmoney]

Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself. You guys ever play the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game? I play the same game, but using the IDPA Rules instead of Kevin Bacon.

[Flexmoney]

Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself.

Let me know if you need a hand with that. I have some very effective techniques.

Back to loads, anybody?

[ffl]

Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself.

Let me know if you need a hand with that. I have some very effective techniques.

Back to loads, anybody?

I am using 38 Short colt brass (starline)

Heartco moons

125 Gr. Lead RN Bullet. (lee mold model 356-125 2R)

Lee Liquid Alox lube

VV N320 powder 3.8-3.9 Gr.

Fed Primer

1050 FPS from 686+ 6" Barrel

This is a great soft shooting load

Loads great and fast

with 6 rounds fired and you must drop 1 loaded round (686+ is 7 shot) the ejector star pushes the load including bullet completely free from cylinder.

As for bashing the rules of IDPA I don't mean to but since I don't shoot it and if I show up to a match I don't want to be DQ'ed because of the FTDWTROTTRSB rule. (Failure to to what the range officer thinks the rule should be.)

David

[ffl]

Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself. You guys ever play the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game? I play the same game, but using the IDPA Rules instead of Kevin Bacon.

OK, I am Game, How about Gabby Hayes?

[Bill Nesbitt]

Here is a cut and paste from another forum:

detonicscustom wrote:

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I will give a little input here and say that if your gun is a factory .38 Short Colt, you can shoot it. If it is a .38 special or .357 magnum you can not use it and if you do, you run the risk of an FTDR.

The reasoning is that .38 short colt is uncommon today and the only reason to use it would be to gain a competitive advantage on reloads. The rule on this can be found on page 8, C1 and C2 of the rule book.

I hope this helps.

Robert Ray

IDPA HQ

[Bill Nesbitt]

Another point about the short Colt brass. It is too short to use in speedloaders. The rounds won't be started into the chambers well before the speedloader dumps the rounds. Short Colt brass works better in moonclips.

When S&W redesigned the ejector star, they shortened the throw of the ejector rod. At least it seems that way on all my revolvers. The older style rod completely ejects 38 special brass. The newer ones don't.

I recently got some 160 grain RN Billys Bullets and it seems like I can lower my powder charge and still get power factor. More testing will follow. I also have some VV320 powder on order.

[Carmoney]

Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself. You guys ever play the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game? I play the same game, but using the IDPA Rules instead of Kevin Bacon.

OK, I am Game, How about Gabby Hayes?

1. Gabby Hayes played the role of Windy Halliday in the movies.

2. Windy Halliday was the sidekick of Hopalong Cassidy.

3. Hopalong is the BE forum handle used by Sam Keen.

4. Sam is a cretinous hillbilly from a backward state.

5. So is Bill Wilson.

6. Bill Wilson wrote the IDPA Rules.

See what I'm saying? It always works.

(Just kidding, Sam.)

[Tom E]

1. Gabby Hayes played the role of Windy Halliday in the movies.

2. Windy Halliday was the sidekick of Hopalong Cassidy.

3. Hopalong is the BE forum handle used by Sam Keen.

4. Sam is a cretinous hillbilly from a backward state.

5. So is Bill Wilson.

6. Bill Wilson wrote the IDPA Rules.

See what I'm saying? It always works.

(Just kidding, Sam.)

[pskys2]

Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself. You guys ever play the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game? I play the same game, but using the IDPA Rules instead of Kevin Bacon.

OK, I am Game, How about Gabby Hayes?

1. Gabby Hayes played the role of Windy Halliday in the movies.

2. Windy Halliday was the sidekick of Hopalong Cassidy.

3. Hopalong is the BE forum handle used by Sam Keen.

4. Sam is a cretinous hillbilly from a backward state.

5. So is Bill Wilson.

6. Bill Wilson wrote the IDPA Rules.

See what I'm saying? It always works.

(Just kidding, Sam.)

Counselor, you have way too much time on your hands!

But, you are entertaining.

Edited September 4, 2008 by pskys2

[Carmoney]

But, you are entertaining.

What do you mean I'm entertaining? I'm entertaining how, entertaining like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to f&%ing amuse you? What do you mean entertaining, entertaining how? How am I entertaining? You said I'm entertaining. How the f&%k am I entertaining, what the f&%k is so entertaining about me?

[D.Hayden]

Powders I see so far:

Bullseye

Unique

WST

W231

N320

Are most people picking them for clean burning? Or just becuase it's on the shlf, or accuracy?

I've been using TG.. just because I have a lot of it.. but it's dirty

I'm more interested in clean than anythign else at this point..

Of the others the only one I don't have is N320.. is this the cleanest of the clean?

[Bill Nesbitt]

I've been using Bullseye in my 38 Special loads for almost 20 years because it doesn't leave any junk under my ejector star. With plated bullets, I don't have to brush my chambers during a match. I'll run an over sized brush through my chambers just before a match and usually don't brush again until the next match. I seldom clean the barrel.

I have some VV320 on order to test. It's supposed to be clean.

[Model19]

Funny stuff you guys. The FTDR rule figures as far as banning 38shorts goes. Oh well.

Anyhoo, back to my original post, I've been loading test rounds with the small amount of Bullseye I have left and I'll speed test 'em Friday night. I started at 4.6gr and am working up to 5.4 by .2gr steps. I think I'll build a few 5.6gr too for fun. What the heck.

I used to use Unique but it is dirtier in my experience. A tighter crimp helped that somewhat, but the Bullseye is better. I'd like to find something even cleaner but it gets expensive buying cans of powder just to test.

With Unique it was brush the cylinder every few loads for safety. Not so with the Bullseye. It smokes up the exterior surfaces but is pretty clean on the internals in use.

I see in the rulebook that velocities should be tested in max length per class barrels and if they pass it sounds like the load is OK to use in shorter barrels with the corresponding speed loss.

So now the question remains.. do I test with my 4" or the 2.5" I usually shoot IDPA with? I could load for the needed speed out of the short barrel and be sure on never being questioned I guess.

[pskys2]

But, you are entertaining.

What do you mean I'm entertaining? I'm entertaining how, entertaining like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to f&%ing amuse you? What do you mean entertaining, entertaining how? How am I entertaining? You said I'm entertaining. How the f&%k am I entertaining, what the f&%k is so entertaining about me?

In an otherwise dreary, boring day someone comes along and makes you smile.

Now is it a Jerry Lewis type, Red Skelton, Bob Hope, Jerry Seinfeld.....That I can't quite place, yet.

As Elaine said to Jerry, "Yes, ..Yes,...Yes, Yes, yes and Yes!"

P.S. Too much caffene?

[Model19]

But, you are entertaining.

What do you mean I'm entertaining? I'm entertaining how, entertaining like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to f&%ing amuse you? What do you mean entertaining, entertaining how? How am I entertaining? You said I'm entertaining. How the f&%k am I entertaining, what the f&%k is so entertaining about me?

In an otherwise dreary, boring day someone comes along and makes you smile.

Now is it a Jerry Lewis type, Red Skelton, Bob Hope, Jerry Seinfeld.....That I can't quite place, yet.

As Elaine said to Jerry, "Yes, ..Yes,...Yes, Yes, yes and Yes!"

P.S. Too much caffene?

It's Joe Pesci in Casino if my memory is not failing.

[Flexmoney]

Please don't derail/drift this thread folks. We have somebody here actually looking for advise.

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As for the IDPA/Wilson bashing. That is against forum rules. There are many members here that do enjoy IDPA shooting. They come here to talk about shooting (which is the purpose of these forums). Be courteous to them and allow them to do so. Your energies and artful use of the language can be put to use in better endeavours than being vocal about a game that you don't play and/or don't enjoy.

Kyle F.

Forum Administrator

[Carmoney]

It's Joe Pesci in Casino if my memory is not failing.

Very close! Joe Pesci in Goodfellas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la3B9d3KFz8...feature=related

[jmax]

Powders I see so far:

Bullseye

Unique

WST

W231

N320

Are most people picking them for clean burning? Or just becuase it's on the shlf, or accuracy?

I've been using TG.. just because I have a lot of it.. but it's dirty

I'm more interested in clean than anythign else at this point..

Of the others the only one I don't have is N320.. is this the cleanest of the clean?

Clays is the cleanest powder that I have used in revolvers and is very accurate with either 130 gr or 158 gr moly coated bullets.

[Carmoney]

self-edited so I don't get admonished again....

Edited September 4, 2008 by Carmoney

[D.Hayden]

Clays is the cleanest powder that I have used in revolvers and is very accurate with either 130 gr or 158 gr moly coated bullets.

Clays.. nice I'll have to check into that one.. I use it for 40 Minor.. for just that reason.. thanks much..

Hodgdon shows 2.8gr for 812fps, 3.1 for 871 with the 158 Cast LSWC.. good starting places.. even the 2.8 makes minor..

[revchuck]

Powders I see so far:

Bullseye

Unique

WST

W231

N320

Are most people picking them for clean burning? Or just becuase it's on the shlf, or accuracy?

Yes. I worked up the Bullseye load because I got a four pound container cheap at a gun show. The 231 works well in terms of accuracy; in fact, it's the most accurate load I've used with 158 grain RNLs that makes the PF, but it's not that clean.

I've been using TG.. just because I have a lot of it.. but it's dirty

I'm more interested in clean than anythign else at this point..

Of the others the only one I don't have is N320.. is this the cleanest of the clean?

I haven't tried N320 partially due to reverse snobbery, but mostly because I'm cheap. I never had problems with dirtiness with TG, but I cheated and used Fed 200 primers with it.

A nice, clean, cheap powder that makes the PF with lead bullets in my guns is Solo 1000.

So now the question remains.. do I test with my 4" or the 2.5" I usually shoot IDPA with?

It's up to you. Your ammo has to make the PF from the longest barrel allowed in your division, which would be 4". Just for the security of knowing that my ammo makes the PF from the gun I shoot, I'd do it from the 2-1/2"; they might have a real slow 4" gun at the chrono station.

Edited September 4, 2008 by revchuck