Renron Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 This is from the assistant DA in Ca. (kinda rhymie) Bill Lockyer's letterhead is on the first pda. Sorry I could not find a way to post them directly, comming from a pda. This is the source of my information and I have it printed out (hard copy as well), so there is no problem discussing this on the internet. One must remember, it is a LAW that hi-cap magazines must have been owned prior to the ban in 2000. Ron DOJ_Clarification_StandardCapMags_p1.zip DOJ_Clarification_StandardCapMags_p2.zip DOJ_Clarification_StandardCapMags_p3.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 So when is one of you going to challenge the CaliBans on Second Amendment grounds now that the Heller vs DC case is over? As soon as I find someone with enough cash to bank roll it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UW Mitch Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I called CA DOJ the other day to ask about bringing in some frames to build guns on. The bottom line of the conversation was the "a frame is not a firearm as far as DOJ is concerned so you cannot register it" and if at some point I did build the frame into a complete gun "there would be no legal way for me to register the gun if I had been in the state longer than 60 days". So bottom line was no bringing in frames, only complete handguns. ~Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I'd be careful with what you ask CA DOJ. If you move there, they expect YOU to tell THEM what you have and REGISTER within 60 days, oh yeah and it's $19 per handgun. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/volreg.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I called CA DOJ the other day to ask about bringing in some frames to build guns on. The bottom line of the conversation was the "a frame is not a firearm as far as DOJ is concerned so you cannot register it" and if at some point I did build the frame into a complete gun "there would be no legal way for me to register the gun if I had been in the state longer than 60 days". So bottom line was no bringing in frames, only complete handguns. ~Mitch Not true. I know someone who brought to CA over 10 frames. Registered them all. DOJ sent back paperwork acknowledging them. Some were subsequently transfered to others, including me, as frames. I do not know who you spoke with but they should not be answering peoples questions. They were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbs007 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 As far as I know never ask CA DOJ any legality questions as they will only stir you off from bringing anything in the state; legal or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UW Mitch Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 If you can't call the DOJ to get answers, who the heck are you supposed to get info from? I suppose I gotta pay some lawyer like $400/hour to get a definitive answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Lawyers won't answer your questions until you are faced with charges and have paid them. Definitive answers, you're dealing with law here. You can make an argument for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkedshooter Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) Have any of you guys ever been able to build a limited gun on an STI frame after the ban? Edited July 17, 2008 by inkedshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photog Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Check out ar-15.com's reference page on the hometown forum: AR-15.COM ost of great easy to read info, unlike Calguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 (edited) Have any of you guys ever been able to build a limited gun on an STI frame after the ban? Many. It is perfectly legal if you have a source for the frame and have pre ban mags. What ban are you referring to? Disregard the comments here about the DOJ. There are many good folks working the telephone help line there. Beware of folks giving advice that dont have the balls to post here with their full name. Edited July 28, 2008 by larry cazes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkedshooter Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Did'nt know if you could build build a pistol using the frame since they are a non-legal Cali firearm. I was thinkin building a limited pistol but using the 10 round mags with a 2011 frame short or long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Did'nt know if you could build build a pistol using the frame since they are a non-legal Cali firearm. I was thinkin building a limited pistol but using the 10 round mags with a 2011 frame short or long. Transfers among private (non Dealer) california residents for guns already in the state are exempt from the drop/safety test list. All you need to know to educate yourself in this area is on the DOJ website and the helpline folks are paid to answer any questions you may have as well. I believe that 10 round mags are available from SV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkedshooter Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Thats what I figured. It'd be nice if we could purchase atleast the bare frame from the company and still do the reg here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franksremote Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) Just a few thoughts from an 01 in NorCal, - You can buld a semi-auto AR-15 in CA on an offlist receiver as long as you don't create an assault weapon in the process i.e. if there is a pistol grip, it must have a mag locking device that takes time and a "tool" to remove and a magazine with a capacity to accept more than 10 rounds is NOT EVER inserted into it OR a pistolgripless build can accept pre-ban hi-cap mags with a regular mag release button. As was stated, registered AWs owned and "registered" with CA DOJ at the time of the ban are allowed as many "evil" features and the owner can dream of. - Calguns.net is the authority for info on AR ownership in CA (period). A large group of Kalifornians who've researched and share openly about the laws of the land are going to give you better info than those that speculate without being in the state; definately NOT referring to this site. - You can bring whatever handguns/frames into the state with you that you'd like/ can afford and register all of them when you arrive (within 60 days is what the laws read); you can send the form in + the $$$ OR "register" them through a PPT with another CA resident. No assault weapons, SBR/SBSs, silencers, or other Class 3 stuff without permits from the state or exempt for military duty, etc. - Open guns have to have the comp permanently affixed to the barrel as threaded barrels are illegal, but silver soldered or welded/pinned comps on them aren't. - As discussed, your Hi-Cap mags aren't legal to import into the state unless you owned them before the ban. It is however an enhancement and not typically a reason LE is going to tag you, unless of course you decide to use your $4k open gun to do drive bys with... There have been NO documented cases of folks being prosecuted for hi-cap mag possession as a stand alone charge. Someone show case law/a documented example and I'll eat my words... - Don't discuss "off color" topics in a public forum, you'd be surprised who's watching, um, no really... If you want further/specific info, feel free to PM me. Edited August 1, 2008 by Franksremote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franksremote Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 If you can't call the DOJ to get answers, who the heck are you supposed to get info from? I suppose I gotta pay some lawyer like $400/hour to get a definitive answer Depending on the topic, the answers are more vague than definitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 If you can't call the DOJ to get answers, who the heck are you supposed to get info from? I suppose I gotta pay some lawyer like $400/hour to get a definitive answer Depending on the topic, the answers are more vague than definitive. You guys have vastly different experiences than me. I have been calling them for 6+ years now and have never received a vague answer from the DOJ. Now if you ask about a grey area, expect to get a grey answer OLL ARs are definitely in the grey and will be for a long time but building handguns within the bounds of the assault weapon ban and the drop/safety list is black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbp Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Bring the gun, followers, springs and tubes. ("repair kits") leave the base pads. The mags you had before 2000. period Burdon of proof is on them. you can do a search on calguns.net I know it's hard to weed through it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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