zhunter Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 only one, but it was LOUD Did someone say RING?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 You is a lucky Duck It could have been 100times worse....hole in roof ect! Glad it was not catastrophic!!! Now go answer that phone...I can hear it ringing from here Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston in Austin Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I had a primer go off and set off a just loaded primer magazine. A primer in a 9mm case left the side wall while punching out the end and the anvil. It was load, but I was wearing eyes and ears. Was in a Super 1050 that was very new. I prefer my RL 1050 to the Super version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskp1 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Glad to hear you are ok z Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 So Z.... THe seller of the brass have anything to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 So Z.... THe seller of the brass have anything to say? Yes, I received a nice e-mail today. He explained that the "NT" problem was a first, and said it would be impossible to run a business looking at every primer. He was very gracious and asked if I would like a refund or anything else to make it right. I was VERY pleased with his response and said no, I was more interested in no one getting hurt with primers going off due to the "NT" issue. 9mm's are a PITA, but the "NT" is dangerous in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 SO we have a professional brass seller who says he can't guarantee that the product he is selling is actually what he says he is selling.... I would think that his saying he can't check the brass and stay in business may be moot. If he sells a bunch of brass that he advertises as .45 and one is an NT and by this fact someone has a Kaboom and looses an eye or something he damned sure won't be in business - or in his house or car either probably... The ultimate responsibility always lies with the guy behind the machine but I see a huge liability issue here.... Bummer for the seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
target1911 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 WOW.....Glad your ok. I load on a SDB and I have ruined a few primers cuz of the NT brass but I have never blasted one. I guess you get more leverage on the bigger presses than the SDB but I have always been able to tell when I hit a NT case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 SO we have a professional brass seller who says he can't guarantee that the product he is selling is actually what he says he is selling....I would think that his saying he can't check the brass and stay in business may be moot. If he sells a bunch of brass that he advertises as .45 and one is an NT and by this fact someone has a Kaboom and looses an eye or something he damned sure won't be in business - or in his house or car either probably... The ultimate responsibility always lies with the guy behind the machine but I see a huge liability issue here.... Bummer for the seller. I don't see any fault to the seller at all. .45 ACP NT is still .45 ACP. The guy running the press is the only one who can be responsible for safe operation. Loading brass that you have not checked is asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 SO we have a professional brass seller who says he can't guarantee that the product he is selling is actually what he says he is selling....I would think that his saying he can't check the brass and stay in business may be moot. If he sells a bunch of brass that he advertises as .45 and one is an NT and by this fact someone has a Kaboom and looses an eye or something he damned sure won't be in business - or in his house or car either probably... The ultimate responsibility always lies with the guy behind the machine but I see a huge liability issue here.... Bummer for the seller. I don't see any fault to the seller at all. .45 ACP NT is still .45 ACP. The guy running the press is the only one who can be responsible for safe operation. Loading brass that you have not checked is asking for trouble. So it's kool if your 9mm brass is a mixture of Largo, 9x19, 9x21, 9x23, 9x25 and whatever else is a 9mm case. I think not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 the swage rod will just crush the pocket a little bit, probably making the problem worse. I've got a bucket of NT 45 Brass that I've seperated from the good stuff. I plan on loading it, my ammo sponsor does that, but I'm not sure of the load he uses with small primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 So it's kool if your 9mm brass is a mixture of Largo, 9x19, 9x21, 9x23, 9x25 and whatever else is a 9mm case. Merlin, this is, well, I'd say comparing apples and oranges. .45" ACP is still .45" ACP (same brass dimensions), being it either classic .45" ACP or NT version. The latter has a different primer sized hole, ok, but the overall brass is exactly the same. The 9mm variants you listed are all different when it comes to brass sizes: they're nominally (and physically) different calibers that are not supposed to be shot in a gun with a different chamber from the one of the same caliber. .45" ACP NT rounds are meant to be shot in exactly the same guns that fire normal .45" rounds. I agree with anybody else, NT brass sucks, and should prove the wrongest marketing idea on the planet, but you can't really blame a vendor for selling .45" NT brass as .45" ACP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 So Z.... THe seller of the brass have anything to say? Yes, I received a nice e-mail today. He explained that the "NT" problem was a first, and said it would be impossible to run a business looking at every primer. He was very gracious and asked if I would like a refund or anything else to make it right. I was VERY pleased with his response and said no, I was more interested in no one getting hurt with primers going off due to the "NT" issue. 9mm's are a PITA, but the "NT" is dangerous in my opinion. I'd say the seller did offer a solution in return for a full refund for the brass. If you purchased what was supposed to be .45ACP mixed brass, The guy behind the press ultimately carries the responsibility of sorting it and loading appropriately. I load .45ACP in brass I gather from a county range and these NT cases have been around for years. Don't you guys inspect your brass before you load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 So Z.... THe seller of the brass have anything to say? Yes, I received a nice e-mail today. He explained that the "NT" problem was a first, and said it would be impossible to run a business looking at every primer. He was very gracious and asked if I would like a refund or anything else to make it right. I was VERY pleased with his response and said no, I was more interested in no one getting hurt with primers going off due to the "NT" issue. 9mm's are a PITA, but the "NT" is dangerous in my opinion. I'd say the seller did offer a solution in return for a full refund for the brass. If you purchased what was supposed to be .45ACP mixed brass, The guy behind the press ultimately carries the responsibility of sorting it and loading appropriately. I load .45ACP in brass I gather from a county range and these NT cases have been around for years. Don't you guys inspect your brass before you load? Just an opinion, Larry. That's all. The true test of the situation will be in the courts when someone does take the supplier to task over his - "real or perceived" failure to provide a "reasonable inspection" of the brass. I see the word play on the "mixed brass" as being virtually useless in a legal contest. I have reread my post and I am not "blaming" the vendor but commenting that someone most certainly will. If you can be sued for the temperature of coffee and for what is done with a firearm your company has manufactured which has since passed through many owners you can (and will IMO) most certainly be sued by someone hurt by what they perceive as your failure to properly inspect your product and make a reasonable determination as to what you are actually shipping out to you customers. Yea I inspect my brass and I do accept responsibility for my reloads and with a considerable amount of .45 loaded over the years I have managed to catch all of the NT brass...so far.. I am NOT advocating a lawsuit and would never consider that course of action myself.... Just offering up an opinion of what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4406pak Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 The "NT" brass thing would not apply to 40 S&W brass correct? It appears they have the same small primer pockets. Or is there a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franksremote Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I had my first ever reloading KaBOOM tonight!!!!Loading .45 on my 1050, the downstroke was a bit stiff, but I finished the stroke and BAANNGGG An "NT" piece of brass was mixed in with some once fired brass I had purchased. In case you did not know, the primer pocket on "NT" brass is smaller and when the primer would not fit into the pocket, it ignited!!! My ears are still ringing!! I set the swaging rod and use it as a "feeler" for those pesky NT cases. The press won't completely stroke when one sneaks in there. Did the same a whiles back, and found out what the hole through the toolhead above that station is for; it's a blow hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 I set the swaging rod and use it as a "feeler" for those pesky NT cases. The press won't completely stroke when one sneaks in there. Did the same a whiles back, and found out what the hole through the toolhead above that station is for; it's a blow hole. Frank is right on, my swag is NOW back in use!!! No more "NT" bangs for me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvall1201 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I too also use the swage rod for "feeling" the nt primer pockets. I have it adjusted-up just enough for the swage tip to enter the pocket. This way, you can feel the resistence at the bottom of your stroke. At that point, I just raise the lever a little from the down position, remove the locator button, toss the POS nt case & continue on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted April 22, 2008 Author Share Posted April 22, 2008 Yesterday I received a box in the mail. It was from the Brass supplier. Looks like about 1500 once fired .45's and a bag of NEW Winchester .45 brass. I asked for nothing in our correspondence. I would say this is above and beyond the call of duty. Thanks Brassman!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
target1911 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Yesterday I received a box in the mail.It was from the Brass supplier. Looks like about 1500 once fired .45's and a bag of NEW Winchester .45 brass. I asked for nothing in our correspondence. I would say this is above and beyond the call of duty. Thanks Brassman!!! Now that is outstanding customer service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Yesterday I received a box in the mail.It was from the Brass supplier. Looks like about 1500 once fired .45's and a bag of NEW Winchester .45 brass. I asked for nothing in our correspondence. I would say this is above and beyond the call of duty. Thanks Brassman!!! Now that is outstanding customer service. Or good marketing on his part from reading THE competition shooting forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Yesterday I received a box in the mail.It was from the Brass supplier. Looks like about 1500 once fired .45's and a bag of NEW Winchester .45 brass. I asked for nothing in our correspondence. I would say this is above and beyond the call of duty. Thanks Brassman!!! Now that is outstanding customer service. I have made a couple large buys from Brian and got a very nice deal with great service... I will do so again I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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