lynn jones Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 i like the watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 (edited) What makes IPSC Modified superior to USPSA open division? What makes these guns so incredible? What differences do you see in open guns? They're all practically the same thing. I know you can have a 5" or 4.5" gun. Serendipity, single sided mount or Jpoint. Maybe some different safeties, slide cuts, etc. They're all basically the same thing. Now stick it in a box. What do you give up, what do you keep? Off the top of my head I can think of 5 distinctly different designs of modified guns I've seen. Using a comp, a hybrid barrel, or both, or even V8 porting. Make it a short 9mm and stuff in a LOT of rounds compared to 40. With a cmore and have a short barrel, or Jpoint and get a much longer barrel because of the box. Tons of variations. This division has more technical innovation than I see in ANY other division these days. ETA: So I actually address the previous poster's question: It's not that the guns are superior. They aren't, hence the open gun designs you see today. It's that the gunsmithing is way cooler. Edited January 31, 2008 by Matt Cheely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Isn't IPSC Modified like USPSA Limited/L-10 where you need .40 caliber or larger to make major. And major PF is 170 instead of 165. What would be the advantage of having a 9x19 or 38 super/sc IPSC Modified gun? And with the "must fit the box" requirement, isn't it a lot easier to fit with a Oko/Docter/JPoint instead of a C-More sight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 A member here, Kenny, built a very short 9mm Modified gun that pivoted over in the box so you could fit a 140mm mag in it with a large basepad. He was getting 24-25 rounds to a "regular" modified gun's 18 rounds of 40. He figured that you could gain enough time on splits and less reloads to overcome the minor scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Boit Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Modified division have some common requirements with Standard Division. Must be 10mm or larger to score major, and must fit the box in its ready condition. You can use 9 major or 38 super but you'll be scored minor, no matter what loads you got. At the beginning of Modified in France, I could only stuck 16 rounds of 40 caliber in my mags because of the set up I used. It was a very fun division (it is still !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolduckboy Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 (edited) The gun you shot at Michigan was Wicked, Matt. Edit was from my lack of thinking the in morning. Edited January 31, 2008 by Coolduckboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 How does that coating hold up? I would like my tacticool IDPA blaster done like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 i like the watch! Would a watch like this be legal in Production division or would it constitute an external weight that aids in recoil control? Slav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 What makes IPSC Modified superior to USPSA open division? What makes these guns so incredible? What differences do you see in open guns? They're all practically the same thing. I know you can have a 5" or 4.5" gun. Serendipity, single sided mount or Jpoint. Maybe some different safeties, slide cuts, etc. They're all basically the same thing. Now stick it in a box. What do you give up, what do you keep? Off the top of my head I can think of 5 distinctly different designs of modified guns I've seen. Using a comp, a hybrid barrel, or both, or even V8 porting. Make it a short 9mm and stuff in a LOT of rounds compared to 40. With a cmore and have a short barrel, or Jpoint and get a much longer barrel because of the box. Tons of variations. This division has more technical innovation than I see in ANY other division these days. ETA: So I actually address the previous poster's question: It's not that the guns are superior. They aren't, hence the open gun designs you see today. It's that the gunsmithing is way cooler. Yep, what he said ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adiksaputok Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 from what jojo said one day at the range he designed that modified gun using 140 mags that holds 20 or so rounds ssl regarding the watch it should be legal in production if it fits the box and if Oakley sells more than 500 pcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV_shooter Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 jojo's guns are simply amazing. his attention to detail and his artistic approach are 2nd to none. one day I will have him build me steel blaster. the guy is certainly not scared to remove excess weight off a gun, thats for sure! he is the goto guy for 9 major as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipscbob Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 What makes IPSC Modified superior to USPSA open division? What makes these guns so incredible? ETA: So I actually address the previous poster's question: It's not that the guns are superior. They aren't, hence the open gun designs you see today. It's that the gunsmithing is way cooler. Exactly, we are in agreement. What we dont agree on is the purpose for these short guns. Any one of us can have a modified gun built today and shoot it in USPSA open division. Most don't for a very good reason. We do not have to fit our guns within a box and our current design trends suit our needs better than the so called modified guns. They are constrained, we are not. It's all perception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Modified is the Pro-Stock of shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV_shooter Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Modified is the Pro-Stock of shooting. I thought that was USPSA production... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Modified is the Pro-Stock of shooting. I thought that was USPSA production... I think bracket racing when I think production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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