Beretta Lover Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I am going to probably start shooting a Para P18 9mm hi cap in ESP I thought I would get a dawson magwell and grind it as needed to fit in "the box" DOes anyone use one of these? WHat type base pads are you running with your magwell. Do you use 9mm spacers or anything like that? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 A friend of mine had a couple of them with S&A magwells and they wouldn't make weight. He put a bunch of cash into a pair of guns that he couldn't use. Better get your gun weighed with a magazine inserted. You can't trust Para's published weights. 43 oz max for ESP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 yep gonna be real close, just re weighed mine on a calibrated scale, 43.7 with Dawson Plus 4 pads, gonna hope removing the Dawson pad and using factory plastic one will get it under, if not I still have some room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootin-blanks Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I shoot one, using a s&a shorty magwell. I use Arredonodo +0 base pads..When I shoot IDPA matches, I have to remove the full length guide rod and use a 'GI' plunger to make weight restrictions., Also had to lighten the frame a little, under the grips. Watch your six... S/B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duster Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 A buddy of mine was just mentioning the P-18 to me today. As he was planning to use it in IDPA. Will it make the weight limit as stock without the magwell and base pads? Any problems with feeding with the 9mm's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 you'll have to get one and put it on a calibrated scale.. The 9mm barrel will weigh more than a 40 barrel, but the diffference else where who knows. I would assume the weight savings in a Stainless gun should make it with room to spare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I have been told by the folks at Caspian that, all else being equal, stainless steel weighs more than carbon steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbeck Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I can't speak for the p-18 specifically, but I do know my PARA SSP .45 was close to 4 oz overweight for CDP after I put an S&A magwell on it. To make it legal, I had to remove a lot of material under the grips, swap the FL guide rod for a GI plunger and swap the nice coco grips for a set of factory Colt grips. When it was weighed for the Tri States Regional in Memphis it came in at 41oz exactly. It seems that Para makes their guns somewhat heavier than some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I have been told by the folks at Caspian that, all else being equal, stainless steel weighs more than carbon steel. That's odd, I am using the same source telling me stainless is lighter. ESP has a few more oz's allowed than CDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911onr Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Carbon Steel (.4% C) .283 lb/cu in Carbon Steel (.9% C) .282 lb/cu in Stainless Steel (18% Cr, 8% Ni) .290 lb/cu in Stainless Steel (17% Cr, .12% C) .280 lb/cu in Stainless Steel (27% Cr, .35% C) .270 lb/cu in I guess it depends on what type of SS, but some varients are lighter than carbon steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 And some are heavier. Interesting. I guess the entire matter is more complex than a simple "one is heavier than the other" statement can cover. Thanks. I learned something new today! Always worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 It seems that Para makes their guns somewhat heavier than some others. and clearly Para's were not considered when setting the original weight limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdmoore Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) I checked the weight on my Para P16. Weighed it without the grips as I have several I'm considering several, including running it with just grip tape. Mine has the S&A magwell installed (so a portion of the bottom of the frame has been cut away). Has FLGR too. Weight with a 10 round mag was 41 oz. BTW, weight of a 10 roung mag was 3 oz. 16 round mag was 3.2 oz. This was done at the post office, so I think the scales are pretty reliable. ETA, Mine is the SS version. Edited October 31, 2007 by kdmoore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Mike Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I checked the weight on my Para P16. Weighed it without the grips as I have several I'm considering several, including running it with just grip tape. Mine has the S&A magwell installed (so a portion of the bottom of the frame has been cut away). Has FLGR too.Weight with a 10 round mag was 41 oz. BTW, weight of a 10 roung mag was 3 oz. 16 round mag was 3.2 oz. This was done at the post office, so I think the scales are pretty reliable. ETA, Mine is the SS version. taking the gun to the post office......here we go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I have been told that the scales at the post office actually weigh a little heavy, just to make sure that people absolutely have enough postage on things. If anyone has the opportunity to compare an actual postal scale to a scale they know is corrently calibrated, I'd be very curious about the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I checked the weight on my Para P16. Weighed it without the grips as I have several I'm considering several, including running it with just grip tape. Mine has the S&A magwell installed (so a portion of the bottom of the frame has been cut away). Has FLGR too.Weight with a 10 round mag was 41 oz. BTW, weight of a 10 roung mag was 3 oz. 16 round mag was 3.2 oz. This was done at the post office, so I think the scales are pretty reliable. ETA, Mine is the SS version. taking the gun to the post office......here we go... yup...i'll check for your picture hangin on the walll next week.. i'll bet you'll have to do a bit of trimming to get to weight and i would check it with 3 or 4 different scales before i went to a match with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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