jersey boy Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 I was told there is a way to setup an STI mag to get in 20 rds. You know the right spring, follower ,base pad and still keep it under 140mm. for limited class thanks guys And always remember the secret to USPSA You ready read carefully dont forget GO FAST SHOOT A,S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 jb, IMHO, http://www.gramseng.com Bevin has a follower,spring, basepad combonation that in my STI mag bodies fit 20 rounds of 40 S&W and feed 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherErik Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 No matter what combination of basepand and follower you use, being able to reload the mag with 20 rnds in it is almost next to impossible without a tuned mag tube. I have some Grams base pads springs and followers and am able to get 20 rnds into it but I can't hit the reload. There just isnt enough give to fully reach the mag catch. I know if pay the money to have my tubes tuned it would be no problem. But they work perfect the way they are and rarely encounter an situation where that 1 extra round is necessary. Grams and Dawson, among many others, offer tube tuning services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 I use both Grams and Dawson tuned tubes. Grams have all his stuff the Dawson's has the plus one DP pads, wolff springs and SV red follower. I never put 20 in the reloads for the reason stated above. I think http://www.brazoscustom.com/ you can get your tubes tuned here also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danva Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 I have a couple of Grams tuned mag and getting 20 rounds in them is no problem. Haven't noticed any problems reloading and they work ALL THE TIME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 Why do you need 20 rounds in your mag? Travis T won 2002 Area 1 match with 10 round mags shooting limited. Round capicity in IMHO is overated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 Sure, but there are other divisions and in those divisions people do get 20 rounds in their mags. So why not take advantage of the rules in the division you want to play in and load 'em up? -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 LOL , my point was he won the whole match shooting with 10 round mags, beating the open boys with their 29 round mags. My point was proper planning and execution negates the percieved need for 1 more round. He who shoots a gun empty (or near) may win a stage, but it may also cost him a match. I also always carry 4 spare mags, just in case, I never blew a stage by carrying to much ammo, but I have by not carrying enough (or having them fall out of my pouches.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Point taken. Of course we don't all shoot like TT so extra rounds are a bonus and IF you can get them without creating a possible malf then all the better. Hey, I've got the aforementioned 29 rounder and I am sure TT would stomp me even if he was shooting a single stack .45 but I still like my jumbo mag. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 When the plan hits the fan I'll take every round I can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 You don't need no-stinking 20rds in the reloaded mag do you? 20+1 to start, then reload a 19rd mag in there somewhere provides an ample 40rds per stage. If you can tune them to work (seat easily) with 20rds 100% of the time... great! But there are very few stages where you'll be *saved* by having 20rds in your reloaded mag. (like TheOtherErik said). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisT Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Thanks a million for the props L2S, and for noticing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 You may not need that extra round BUT it might also allow you to plan your reload in a different place which CAN be an advantage. Remeber the only time you can have too much ammo is when you go swimming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Chiavacci Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 I love my Para. 21+1 all day long without a hitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherErik Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 id like measure your para mag....i havent heard of or seen a para mag get 21 in it with the correct length base pad. we are talking .40 s&W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Chiavacci Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 Quote: from TheOtherErik on 11:20 pm on Jan. 8, 2003 id like measure your para mag....i havent heard of or seen a para mag get 21 in it with the correct length base pad. we are talking .40 s&W I have had it measured by John Amidon at Nationls at my request. Its leagal! Yes it's .40. (Edited by Tony Chiavacci at 11:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2003) (Edited by Tony Chiavacci at 12:27 am on Jan. 9, 2003) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherErik Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 wow! thats news to me.... what is your setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 Para mags can get one or two more in because the taper at the top of the mag is different.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Moore Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 i too get 21 + 1 in my para and i know of another in my area that does the same. we don't usually run this, only when it's necessary, because it will mess up the followers after awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherErik Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 I knew that the paras could get an easy 20 because of the taper, but never heard of 21. Must be a tight fit...Is it reloadable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 Mine was not reloadable. But you can use grams kit to get the 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Chiavacci Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 That's correct. I use the Grams Pad. I only keep two set up for 21. It has to be a spring that is well broken in and a good follower. I never load them to 21 unless I need it. They are hard to seat so I would never reload into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Olhasso Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 Why does Todd J. carry a single 40sw para mag that can hold 22? Because every once in a long while there is a stage where he might need it and at his level, every little edge counts. If you shoot an STI/SVI and do not have a reloadable magazine that holds 20 rounds, you are cheating yourself. The same hold true for a PARA, but the number should be at least 21 rounds. Example: The last year the A8 match was in erie, there was a stage which required the shooter to carry something (I think it was a duffle bag) for the last 20 rounds. If you only had a 19 round mag for the reload, then you were relegated to running the gun dry. The extra round from my 20 round mag made a big difference when I made up a missed shot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersey boy Posted January 10, 2003 Author Share Posted January 10, 2003 I started this topic and never thought it would get all this attention but its great to see all you guys enjoying it. I have a para 1640 now and yes you can setup for 21+1 rds. Easy to do grams or dawson base pads with wolf springs give you the room you need for the extra rd. Moving up to an sti or sv (at tax time) just looking to have the same setup I do now.I dont ever load 21 in my reload mag. But 22 to start does help a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 "...at his level, every little edge counts." Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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