AzoneHits Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Wanted to get some info as far as powder and loads are concerned. I'm currently using VV 350 and other shooters tell me i get a fireball coming out my comp everytime i fire the gun. Your input will be highly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhglyn Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 I use 10.2 grs of VV N105 with a 125 gr HAP bullet and WSR primers in my Bedell shorty. Gives me about 1380 fps and about a 172 pf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettman1 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 I shoot 8.1 gr of power pistol with 125 zero hp and wsp primers in a 38sc case. I get flames that shoot out of my comp, but it doesn't bother me. Quite honestly, I don't even see it except in the evening hours but you do see it in videos that I've been in. Does the "fireball" bother you or make you blink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 8.4 grain IMR 4756 under 125gr JHP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Try IMR 7625 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzoneHits Posted January 23, 2007 Author Share Posted January 23, 2007 I shoot 8.1 gr of power pistol with 125 zero hp and wsp primers in a 38sc case. I get flames that shoot out of my comp, but it doesn't bother me. Quite honestly, I don't even see it except in the evening hours but you do see it in videos that I've been in. Does the "fireball" bother you or make you blink? I don't even see it or notice it during daytime. Just my buddies telling me i get a ball of fire. Honestly, it does not bother me and i'm loading 8.2 with mine 8.4 grain IMR 4756 under 125gr JHP What's the power factor and does it have a softer recoil compared to the VV 350? Is the IMR 4756 a slower burning powder than the IMR 7625? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 I shoot 8.1 gr of power pistol with 125 zero hp and wsp primers in a 38sc case. I get flames that shoot out of my comp, but it doesn't bother me. Quite honestly, I don't even see it except in the evening hours but you do see it in videos that I've been in. Does the "fireball" bother you or make you blink? I don't even see it or notice it during daytime. Just my buddies telling me i get a ball of fire. Honestly, it does not bother me and i'm loading 8.2 with mine 8.4 grain IMR 4756 under 125gr JHP What's the power factor and does it have a softer recoil compared to the VV 350? Is the IMR 4756 a slower burning powder than the IMR 7625? I find that 4756 shoots soft and flat, shoots the same as 3n37 for me, but I am new to open, so take that with a grain of salt. I have not shot VV 350I haven't had a chance to chrono 8.4 in any weather that was above 10 degrees, I did chrono 8.2gr indoors and got a 160pf, 4756 is slower than 7625 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzoneHits Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 Supermoto, do you have the earlier bedell shorty with the popple holes or without popple holes? Just wondered what the chrono difference would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x21 Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I have Shorty's both with & without popple holes, very little crony difference. Not enough to change the load. In 9x21, I use 9.1 540 (HS-6), 125 zero, WSR 1.210 oval Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Supermoto, do you have the earlier bedell shorty with the popple holes or without popple holes? Just wondered what the chrono difference would be. Mine is new, about a month old. no popple hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzoneHits Posted January 26, 2007 Author Share Posted January 26, 2007 I have Shorty's both with & without popple holes, very little crony difference. Not enough to change the load.In 9x21, I use 9.1 540 (HS-6), 125 zero, WSR 1.210 oval Did the popple holes made any difference a far as recoil and flatness of the gun is when fired? I believe the newer design dan is building now are with no popple holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x21 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I have Shorty's both with & without popple holes, very little crony difference. Not enough to change the load. In 9x21, I use 9.1 540 (HS-6), 125 zero, WSR 1.210 oval Did the popple holes made any difference a far as recoil and flatness of the gun is when fired? I believe the newer design dan is building now are with no popple holes. No difference I can notice, except the C-more stays a lot cleaner without them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzoneHits Posted January 26, 2007 Author Share Posted January 26, 2007 I have Shorty's both with & without popple holes, very little crony difference. Not enough to change the load. In 9x21, I use 9.1 540 (HS-6), 125 zero, WSR 1.210 oval Did the popple holes made any difference a far as recoil and flatness of the gun is when fired? I believe the newer design dan is building now are with no popple holes. No difference I can notice, except the C-more stays a lot cleaner without them! Great. Thinking about getting a backup shorty gun from dan again and just want to make sure that it still shoots flat before i order one. Just love the way my gun works right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azone41 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I have a 38 super shorty built by Dan. I have tried IMR 7625, VV N350 and HS-6. I liked 7625 but it showed some pressure signs @ 171 PF, N350 worked great but costs alot, so I have settled into using HS-6. I use 125 grn Zero HPS and make 170 PF with 8.5 grns of powder. I will most likley give 7625 another try this summer because it shoots so soft and not that expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Don - 4756 is definitely slower than 7625. Its also slower than HS-6. Definitely cheaper than N350. Might be worth a shot in your gun, if 7625 isn't going to work. When you say 7625 shows pressure signs (which isn't necessarily a surprise), what exactly are you seeing? I use it to good effect in my Viper - but obviously, everyone's blaster is different from the next one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azone41 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 7625 would fill the primer back in ( But it sure did shoot soft). I never tried small rifle primers because I have always used small pistol but this last primer order I got 5000 small rifle to give a try. I am thinking I will give 7625 another chance after the 16 pounds of HS-6 I bought runs out. A good friend of mine just gave me 8 pounds of N350 because he won't be shooting for a while so I have lots of powder to burn-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Try 7625 w/ the small rifle primer and see if that behavior changes - then you'll at least be on the same page with the rest of us in terms of primer cup hardness... N350 is good stuff, if it runs good in your gun - though it sounds like the muzzle flash can be distracting. 4756 would still be an avenue to try, too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwmiket Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 NOT a Bedell shorty, but so far I've got loads of 3n37 and 4756 that both are working great for the Open blaster. -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 My Bedell shorty has the popple holes. Both loads I use run a little hot. 178pf 8.3 grains of vv N350 9 grains of IMR 4756 both with Zero 125 grain jhp and WW small rifle primers. The loads with 4756 have a LOT more muzzle flash and leave more dirt in the gun. I thought the 4756 load felt softer, but, according to the timer, I shoot the 350 loads faster. Ive tried vv N105, but, I didn't think it was any better than the 350 and I think I had to go to over 10 grains of the 105 to make major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbocomp38s Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I was using VV350 before in my open gun and was just too violent for the gun. Now that I have changed to IMR 4756, it shoots flatter and cheaper too compared to the 350's. Try it. shoots greats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzoneHits Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 My Bedell shorty has the popple holes.Both loads I use run a little hot. 178pf 8.3 grains of vv N350 9 grains of IMR 4756 both with Zero 125 grain jhp and WW small rifle primers. Why do you have to have a 178 PF? Is it shooting better and flat with higher PF? I do have the same set up as yours using N350 with 170-172 PF at 8.2g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Just for info. I have an SV shorty with 3 poppleholes. I use 3n38 after trying 7625. The 7625 load showed signs of pressure with a Wsrp also. I had 2 or 3 cases rupture also. Be careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 My Bedell shorty has the popple holes. Both loads I use run a little hot. 178pf 8.3 grains of vv N350 9 grains of IMR 4756 both with Zero 125 grain jhp and WW small rifle primers. Why do you have to have a 178 PF? Is it shooting better and flat with higher PF? I do have the same set up as yours using N350 with 170-172 PF at 8.2g. I intentionally ran it high because most of the people I talked to, here in WI said that when you went to "Nationals" it usually chronoed 5-10pf less. I didn't want to get bumped down to minor, but, it seems that my chrono runs exactly the same as the one used on my gun at Nationals, and at Area 5. I now have a bunch loaded at 8 grains and they are running about 170pf. I'm not going to settle on that load until I chrono them several times, at different times of the day, and different temperatures, just to be 100% sure they will make major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred fague Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I have a Bedell shorty 9 major with KKM barrel. I use VV 3n37 with 7.8 grns. OAL is 1.165 using Zero JHP 125. Using Dillon 650 with two spring coils removed from the detent check ball(helps keep the powder in the cases). Primers Winchester. The crono results with 25 rd strings using a alpha and a CED are; Nickel case low 1337, high 1362, average 1350, ES 25.45, Sd 6.32. Use the nickel stuff at local matches only. Brass case Low 1344, high 1367, average 1352, ES 22.77, Sd 6.40 Passed Area 1 Crono OK. The brass cases give more fps. This is the load Dan gave me when I recieved the pistol and it works awsume with no problems. I have about 6,000 rds fired and like it so much I ordered a second 9 major in full size from Dan. I like the VV 3n37 because it is consitent, clean, and the primers and cases look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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