Hotwings2001 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 My first is usually "A"'s but the second shot is very low "A", "C" or that DELTA. I have to cure the first problem of first shot aim too "centered" instead of nipple level. Im comfy with the first shot but the second one has to get much better. Any tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Aim both shots. (sounds like you are double tapping) If you can make the first an Alpha, then you can do the same for the second. Just repeat everything you do for the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) Stop trying to do "controlled pairs" or "double taps", and aim each shot...... EDITED: Flex beat me to it! Edited August 10, 2006 by sfinney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cking Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 What I find is the brain has already moved on to the next target and you really are not following through on that second shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 A I M ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) Follow through on your shots and in practice work on calling your shots. Focus on the sights and your sight picture. Don't move to the next target until you called the 2nd shot as a good hit and are comfortable with it. It can be hard to do. I still don't always do it right. I work on it though. Edited August 10, 2006 by jasmap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSabbath Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Excellent advice so far. On the follow through...think golf. A golfer doesn't stop the swing when the club touches the ball; he swings all the way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 On the follow through...think golf. Don't think GOLF, (Golf sucks, too much follow through) as a matter of fact don't think at all, just AIM and OBSERVE. Soon (much faster than you will realize) you will catch the point (the exact moment) that the front sight lifts from it alignment in the rear notch (if you are observing while you AIM and don't disturb the AIMING alignment with bad trigger control) and that ends the exercise in follow through. This also begins the exercise in accurate shot calling, something which many (myself included) strive for because this allows us to react to visual input and begin another action sooner than would otherwise be possible if we did not OBSERVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbadaboom Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Bill Drills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 2 shots, 3 sight pictures... the quality of your sight picture depends on target challenge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Make each shot it's own, and own each shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 True, Loves2Shoot, but even though the shooter is aware of that the 2nd shot generally results in a yank.. the 3rd sight picture is to delay the CNS response and allow the shooter to complete the 2nd shot psychologically... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Make each shot it's own, and own each shot. Eggs Ackerly! There is no such thing as a pair of shots. You are firing the gun once and then firing it again. This is not a single action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) True, Loves2Shoot, but even though the shooter is aware of that the 2nd shot generally results in a yank.. the 3rd sight picture is to delay the CNS response and allow the shooter to complete the 2nd shot psychologically... There is no second shot... Thinking there is is what makes people yank that particular shot. Edited August 14, 2006 by Loves2Shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I've used the extra sight picture trick in dry-fire to stress follow-through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 ..there is a second shot, and a third and a fourth etc... even though you fire a shot as a shot the brain will still pick it up as additional shots...that's how the brain works.. getting to where you say is the ultimate but the process to get there starts with developing that followthrough.. we are not saying anything different but in this section, Tips for Improvement, followthrough mgmt. is an important first step..reread Brian's the Call to Followthrough.. see ya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 QUOTE(Paladin @ Aug 14 2006, 11:13 AM) True, Loves2Shoot, but even though the shooter is aware of that the 2nd shot generally results in a yank.. the 3rd sight picture is to delay the CNS response and allow the shooter to complete the 2nd shot psychologically... QUOTE(Loves2Shoot) There is no second shot... Thinking there is is what makes people yank that particular shot. I think I am going with guy who has 2 GM and 3 M cards here ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 If you don't know why the shot went where it did, you probably did not see it happen. You want to be seeing every time the gun goes bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 As Paladin said, we are saying the same thing just differently... I was just simplifiying it for those of us who are simpler thinking So who do you go with now? Sight alignment, tigger pep, and follow through, I'll be working on those forever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 So who do you go with now? Was never any question ;-) Sight alignment, tigger pep, and follow through, I'll be working on those forever... I'll need to be be working on those things even longer than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Eveyone seems to be singing from the same page of the hymnal. The consensus is: Take the time to line up your sights and aim each shot fired. Cool.......... Now just tell me how to do that and still get .18 splits. Tls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Cool.......... Now just tell me how to do that and still get .18 splits. Easy. Watch the sight during recoil. Be aware. ------------- Let your vision dictate your speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 .......and consisatant grip tension that allows the gun/sights to rebound to the starting point as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 The consensus is: Take the time to line up your sights and aim each shot fired. It really isn't a "take your time" activity. It is just an activity. Once learned, and done properly, it should take no time at all. One should put in the work such that the gun is presented (indexed) to the target with the sights already in alignment...and on target. The grip and stance need to be such as to allow the gun come back on target after recoil for those splits. This is why most use some form of two-handed isosceles grip, instead of one-handed, Weaver, etc. These things allow the 0.18 splits...with accuracy. Sure beats the hell out of pulling the trigger twice and hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Maybe not your problem, but be careful you aren't brain-focusing on the target after the first shot to see where you hit. I also go with the "every shot is the only shot" idea. Well, I should say that I believe in it, I certainly don't do it in reality every time. H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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