EricW Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 OK, I'm not trying to start a RKBA discussion here, this forum ain't the place for it. But, anybody seen the movie? Is it worth seeing? E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Eric, I may have been the biggest farce I've ever seen. In it Moore contends: Whites do all the killing with guns. Whites have guns because they fear blacks. Blacks don't really have any guns. The KKK and the NRA were formed the same year so... Conservatives are the cause of everything. There is no crime problem, there is nothing to fear ever. I mean Moore REALLY played the race card. A problem he ran into, that really put a trud in his punch bowl, was that he found out while researching for the film that Canada has about the same rate of gun owner ship as the US but only has about 100 murders a year using guns. That forced Moore to change the focus of his movie. The sad part of this movie is that the left wingers are really playing the movie up because it's anti white/anti-gun and are ignoring the fact it's a hate fueling farce. Another example of the ends justifying the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 John, Wow! I didn't see any of that mentioned in any of the reviews... That's pretty disgusting. I have to wonder when "Somebody that we don't need to talk about on the SHOOTING forum" got his NRA membership - my guess is he bought it right about the time he planned on doing the movie. Nothing like a little false credibility... What's funny about the liberal/conservative thing is that my neighbors are mostly liberal and don't own guns. They all know I have guns and shoot. I don't keep it a secret. When push comes to shove, things get tough, and they need someone to call for a "security" issue, they call me. One neighbor across the street that just moved, told me that she really missed the neighborhood because she felt so safe living next to me. She knew that I'd be there if anything bad ever happened. So, it just cracks me up when I hear how Conservatives are "the problem." Now I've got to find a way to see the movie without enriching "Somebody that we don't need to talk about on the SHOOTING forum"... I'm curious more than anything. Thx! E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Anyone who would make a movie of any kind about that horrible tragedy needs to be strung up. Forget if he is liberal or not, he is just a rotten SOB who is trying to get rich on the hype and moral outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
down0 Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Moore got an NRA membership to run for NRA President, believe it or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 The NRA ought to send his $$ back. Is there anyone who has a resume that can list something stronger than being Moses, or Ben Hur? I don't care why he joined the NRA, he is still an SOB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twix Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 Moore's first movie "Roger and Me" was really quite good. I personally don't believe he is trying to solely get rich from his films, he is a crusader. After offering up this small defense of Moore, I was disgusted when I read about his newest offering, the Columbine movie, and will not pay to see it or support it in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 My wife and I saw it. (She's a movie buff from way back, and if we "only" see 100 movies a year she thinks we're slackers.) Moore is not as clever as he thinks he is, and the movie shows it. He was all over the place, and tried to make three or four different points at the same time. He did have some thoughtful points, but his treatment of K-Mart was shameful. Ambush journalism has a bad name for a reason. "#3 on how to tell you're having a bad day: There's a camera crew from 60 Minutes in your lobby." I don't begrudge the theater the money I spent, but I sure wish I could have done it without some trickling to Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 Be firm in your convictions, just don't go the the theater. I got fed up with the salaries the pro athletes made and now don't go to the pro games at all. I know it is pointless, as they fill the stadium every time they open the doors, but I have the moral victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 10, 2002 Author Share Posted December 10, 2002 Quote: from Patrick Sweeney on 6:44 am on Dec. 10, 2002 Ambush journalism has a bad name for a reason. I don't begrudge the theater the money I spent, but I sure wish I could have done it without some trickling to Moore. That's exactly why I asked to begin with. I liked Roger and Me and thought that GM got exactly what it deserved. In fact, I'd love to see WorldCom, Tyco, and few others get the Roger and Me treatment - it would be well deserved. But, I saw Moore do a Television Show many years back that was atrocious at best. He cornered a well-mannered Ford Executive and incessantly badgered him with, "If Quality is Job One, what's job two?" ...clearly illustrating that "Somebody that we don't need to talk about on the SHOOTING forum" has no clue of the where to draw the line between investigative journalism and common civility. It's sad to see that he will never ascend from the darkness. He *could* contribute to society in a way the regular media now refuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 I have always refused to support the Hollywood Nazi crew by going to any movies. They can all go to h@!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowter Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 I put up a small clip of Bowling for Columbine on my site. It's a cartoon segment. It's fairly annoying but I'm putting it up so people can get the gist of Bowling for columbine. (Thank you for not accusing me of agreeing with it ) http://www.dowter.com/bowling.wmv (Edited by Dowter at 7:18 pm on Dec. 14, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 15, 2002 Author Share Posted December 15, 2002 You could make a fortune selling barf bags to anybody that had the misfortune to watch that POS. errrr...'scuse me.....RAAAAAALLLLLLFFFFF!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html The above link details how Moore spliced parts of Heston's old speeches to make a fictional one for the movie where it seems that the NRA is celebrating Columbine. I'm suprised the NRA or Heston didn't sue. This link is better yet and a shorter read: http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110003233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBF Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Just recieved a ballot from NRA to vote, Moore vs. Heston, Cannot imagine the ignorant b*****d who would vote for Moore. Saw the movie, curiosity got the better of me . Have never seen a more antigun, antiAmerican, white liberal guilt ridden, fictionfest in my life. The clincher was the applause from the fathead liberal pie in the sky crowd in the theatre . I have not seen this level of ignorance in media in my life time. ABSOLUTELY SICKENS ME !!! Travis F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 I was curious to see the movie.Moore really streched to tie things together.A woman on welfare being forced to ride to work on a bus was the reason her elementry school son took a gun to school and shot another student. WTF??. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserb Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 The explination of all this is simple "Somebody that we don't need to talk about on the SHOOTING forum" = Communist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Too bad Mr. Moores first name isn't Ron. He would be correctly listed in the phonebook as: Moore Ron The San Jose phonebook had a listing for Liang Ho which would also be a good name for Mr. Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowter Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Here's a webpage that pretty much sums of the truth of "Bowling for Columbine" http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 I finally rented the DVD. I wish I had seen it sooner. Like BigDave in his Hate post, I was surprised by what it is and what it isn't. I now realize why so many people (including those who have not seen it) hate Moore and his movie. It is a good piece of filmmaking, particularly the editing, which is brilliant. However, the cartoon segment was horribly lame and out of place and detracted from the movie as a whole. And Moore's interviews, ambush and otherwise, are painful. Moore still tries to act like the indie documentary filmmaker in Roger & Me, but he's not that guy anymore, not after the movies, TV shows, books, and publicity. Now he's just an insincere and dishonest buffoon taking advantage of people when he attempts that. (For example, when he asks a police officer about prosecuting a dog.) What struck me immediately was the fact it is not an anti-gun propaganda piece, as some would have me believe. (To be sure, there are anti-gun aspects to it. However, anybody focusing on the anti-gun aspects is missing the point.) I'm not sure Moore even had a tangible goal of what his movie would be when he started; it seems to develop as he goes along. The movie does not make a statement, it asks a question. Why do Americans kill each other? It is at its best when it stays on this path; it is at its worst when it tries to answer the question and when it presents simple solutions, such as lobbying K-Mart officials or buying all the ammo at the local K-Mart. There are many gut-wrenching, emotional, and provocative scenes in Bowling for Columbine. Some of these scenes will be hard to watch for many people, particulary those people who think the United States is an uncriticizable utopia that can do no wrong. More open-minded viewers might enjoy Moore's journey into the dark side of American culture, despite the movie's distractions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Erik I just don't understand how you can say anything nice about a guy who would take a terrible event like that and use it as a vehicle to vent his hatred about guns in America and to make $$ from distorting many of the facts concerning the incident. He just needs to be strung up and horse whipped with most of the other idiots in Hollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 What terrible event? What incident? There are many in the movie. Did you see the movie? I can say good things about people I don't entirely like or respect. I can admire good but flawed productions. It's the result of being a rational thinker rather than a reactionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Call it what you want to, some of us just know crap when we see it without having to spin it in a good direction or rationalize to ourselves that calling it like it is, isn't being reactionary. Sorry, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus The Bum Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 CNN was talking about this idiot and believe me, he's no "average Joe" This guy travels around in a chauffered Limousine and fly's in his private jet. If anyone thinks he's a crusader for the working man, they've bought into his plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 some of us just know crap when we see it See it, indeed. You didn't respond to my questions, especially the important one. Did you see the movie or not? I think not, because someone who has seen the movie would probably present some arguments or make some kind of point referencing scenes from the film. For example, like John Thompson did in the topic's second post, replying to EricW's question. I wouldn't think that someone who has not seen the movie would ignore the topic's question and instead use the forum space to publicly declare his sadistic bondage fantasy about "Somebody that we don't need to talk about on the SHOOTING forum". I wouldn't think so, but I continue to be amazed. Dear Santa, All I want for Xmas is a Block User forum feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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