Pickin Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Please read and help me haha!! I reload 9mm, 40, and 223. I shoot USPSA and 3gun. I have a bunch of the upgrades on the 650 and 750 that I have done over time as the part wear out. My current setup: 650 on autodrive for brass (deprime and size) 750 that I load on. station 1 is universal deprime, 2 prime, flare and powder, 3 empty, 4 seat, 5 crimp. just bought a 1050 for a smoking deal. only comes setup for 223 with mr bullet feeder for 223 as well. Do i keep the 1050 and sell the 650 with autodirve and the 750. I would like to get the CP2000 and get setup on an atudrive. Big thing I am not able to do is swage on the 650/750. I dont think that 223 prep on the 1050 is worth it I would be wasting the presses potential. let me hear some ideas and what everyone thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HesedTech Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Pickin said: some ideas and what everyone thinks. 1050 with Mark 7 is a far better set up than a 650 with drive. (I had a 650 with a M7 drive). Keep 750, sell 650 and get drive for 1050. Your productivity and satisfaction will both increase. For 223 and 9mm with crimp pockets (a large percentage of 223/556 has “crimped” pockets) the 1050 with Autodrive can process at least twice as fast as your current 650. Plus add the trimmer for rifle brass and now you eliminate another step. Typically I process at 2500 RPH and load at 1600 on my 1050. 750, maybe 800 RPH if you’re lucky. Additionally the 1050 is tough compared to the 650 and rarely breaks any parts. The MBF has conversion kits, but you probably already know that. Edited October 1, 2023 by HesedTech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickin Posted October 1, 2023 Author Share Posted October 1, 2023 Thanks for the info. Do I keep my auto drive and swap it to the 750? Or sell the 650 with autodirve and get a drive for the 1050? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HesedTech Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Pickin said: Thanks for the info. Do I keep my auto drive and swap it to the 750? Or sell the 650 with autodirve and get a drive for the 1050? Just added some info to my previous post. Personally I really disliked my 650 with Autodrive, and sold the combo years ago for an automated 1050. Broke the plastic index ring multiple times. I purchased a 750 for my more leisurely loading sessions that don’t require as much volume. While I haven’t kept count for 2023, it looks like I’ve loaded 50k of 9mm, and 10k 223. Brass all processed on the 1050 and the 223 loaded on the 750. Did around 2k of other misc pistol loads on the 750. I would sell the drive and press separate, keep the 750 as is and get the Mark 7 drive for the 1050. Edited October 1, 2023 by HesedTech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I would go with what @HesedTech said. I am not too impressed with the CP2000 price point. It does not come with dies or a trimmer, cutting dies, etc. It does not come with anything really. I just make switching between processing and loading on the Automated 1050 by including the switch with normal maintenance cycles. I tend to get between 5000-10000 rounds depending on what I am doing on the press between maintenance cycles. I also know that many people say you do not need to swage pistol cartridges, but I have ran into my fair share of crimped 9mm brass to swage both pistol and rifle brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1050 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnipTheDog Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Maybe keep the automated 650 for loading 9mm and 40cal. Use the 1050 for .223. Get one head for brass prep and one for loading. The prep and load could be automated, just doesn't have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 If you are shooting enough to justify being automated then automating the 1050 is the only way to go. After living with a manual 650 and also with an 1100 with automation (Ammobot) I can't imagine trying to live with an automated 650. I'm pretty sure I'd tear out what little of my hair remains within 90 days if it even lasted that long. I agree with @HesedTech dump the 650 and drive. Keep the 750. Automate the 1050. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) Keep the 1050 for sure. Get a separate toolhead for case prep. Easy. Edited October 4, 2023 by Tom Freeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickin Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share Posted October 5, 2023 Thank you all for the input. That was the way I way going. Keep the 750 and automate the 1050 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmc45414 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Not sure when people say Case Prep they are including sizing, but I prep 223/5.56 on the 1100 so that I have sized brass ready to wash and trim and load. Then I load on the 650. My rifle volume is low enough this works great, I do a bunch of sizing then switch the 1100 back to 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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