CrashDodson Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 Stay away from freedom remanufactured. Freedom new is ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benchmstr Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, CrashDodson said: Stay away from freedom remanufactured. Freedom new is ok I have read that. I didn't know they were around Houston. the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90lxracer Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Please excuse my ignorance.. but what is "Glock'd Brass"? Obviously brass shot through a glock.. but what do these pistols do differently to the case than any other pistol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler2you Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, 90lxracer said: Please excuse my ignorance.. but what is "Glock'd Brass"? Obviously brass shot through a glock.. but what do these pistols do differently to the case than any other pistol? Some .40 caliber Glocks have less case support at the chamber to ramp transition than other guns. This creates cases that expand around the head which don't get fully sized back during reloading. Rounds sometimes don't chamber or get stuck and won't extract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, 90lxracer said: Please excuse my ignorance.. but what is "Glock'd Brass"? Obviously brass shot through a glock.. but what do these pistols do differently to the case than any other pistol? Like you said, Glock'ed brass has been shot through a Glock. Older models, especially in .40, had an unsupported chamber which cause a bulge near the base of the case. I'm not sure if the newer generations of Glocks do this. Search for "Glock bulge" and you'll get more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Do people really still see "Glock'd" brass ever? It's been 15+ years since Glock got rid of those terribly unsupported .40 chambers. I shoot a .40 Glock and my brass looks the same as all other range brass I pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 I just bought brass from capital cartridge. Its about 1/3rd glocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 Found this in another forum. When I went through the Glock armorer's course not long after the GEN 4 came out, I asked if the new guns had addressed that chamber issue & was told they had not. The reason given was that it's part of retaining the feeding reliability. This came from a travelling Glock instructor I've known for well over 25 years & he's a very knowledgeable ex-cop & longtime firearms instructor, former member of Jeff Cooper's outfit. Like the Glocks or not, their chambers ARE more unsupported (or less fully supported) than many other brands. And, they remain so. And, it's not just the .40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 I dont think its just glocks. I think a lot of factory pistols that are tuned to reliably feed ammo will have this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Hmmm I have both Gen 3 and Gen 4 .40 Glocks and my brass doesn't look any different than any other brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 If you put calipers on the brass do you not find the base is a little too thick? Sometimes its just on one side of the case. All glocks may not be created equal either. I think the term "glocked" is being used to reference any brass shot out of guns with lose chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 Here is one example. The bulge is slight but it will cause a failure to feed in most 2011's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I pick up brass from anywhere and everywhere. much of it has been shot through glocks and other crappy plastic guns. the percentage of such rounds that don't case gauge is tiny, and even those rounds seem to feed fine in our 2011. I suspect most people that have feed problems have something else going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 I have purchased once fired .40 brass from multiple sources. All of it has at least some cases that can not be properly sized with normal sizing dies. Normal dies just cant size all of the base of the cartridge. Sometimes a U die can fix the case but most times the cases need to be roll sized. Normally I will have 1-10/100 cases that will not properly gauge. A lot of them can still be chambered in my guns but if they dont gauge they get thrown in the practice bin. I recently sold an SV pistol with AET that would hardly chamber any used brass that wasnt roll sized. It really depends on how the barrel was chambered when the gun was built. Moto, glad you have good luck with your range brass, many of us do not. A quick google search or forum search for glocked brass will reveal a lot of people having trouble with used .40 brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) Seems like brass fired out of the newer Gen 3 and Gen 4 G22's have less of the Glock bulge. I see a shitload of it as an instructor. I have a supply of brass from when we were running Gen1's, and I noticed I get a few rounds that wouldn't case gauge, even after going through the U-die. Of course those rounds always work in practice, but I'd rather not take a chance at a major. Edited April 13, 2017 by blaster113 clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I also used Atlanta Arms remanufactured ammo at Area 1 since I couldn't fly with all the ammo I needed. Stuff works great, 100% function in my gun, recoil impulse was OK, but I'm running a steel grip so my gun is heavy. POI was a little lower than my reloads, probably due to the higher velocity. No worries about it making major as the rounds I chronoed averaged 1005 fps; 180 gr bullet out of a 5.5" STI barrel for 180.9 pf. I'd definitely have no problem using AA ammo at a major in case you don't want to reload or can't bring enough with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 44 minutes ago, CrashDodson said: If you put calipers on the brass do you not find the base is a little too thick? Sometimes its just on one side of the case. All glocks may not be created equal either. I think the term "glocked" is being used to reference any brass shot out of guns with lose chambers. I've never measured brass before resizing it, but I've seen plenty of brass that looks like your picture pre resizing. From the primer strike on that brass it's just as often not from a Glock though and I'm sure some of that's from 2011s since that's what most shoot so what most of the brass I pick up with have come from. I use a U die and get under 1% that don't pass my Hundo gauge and of those that fail the gauge I can't recall a single one that wouldn't plunk in my barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90lxracer Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 6 hours ago, CrashDodson said: Here is one example. The bulge is slight but it will cause a failure to feed in most 2011's. Thanks for the info!!! I had zero idea.. don't reload yet.. but I will have to tuck this away.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tha1000 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 7 hours ago, CrashDodson said: I have purchased once fired .40 brass from multiple sources. All of it has at least some cases that can not be properly sized with normal sizing dies. Normal dies just cant size all of the base of the cartridge. Sometimes a U die can fix the case but most times the cases need to be roll sized. Normally I will have 1-10/100 cases that will not properly gauge. A lot of them can still be chambered in my guns but if they dont gauge they get thrown in the practice bin. I recently sold an SV pistol with AET that would hardly chamber any used brass that wasnt roll sized. It really depends on how the barrel was chambered when the gun was built. Moto, glad you have good luck with your range brass, many of us do not. A quick google search or forum search for glocked brass will reveal a lot of people having trouble with used .40 brass. I use a U die and factory crimp die and still get brass that won't gauge and certainly won't run in my AET barreled SV. Just bought 15k brass for cheap. Seems half of it is glocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90lxracer Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 So is this where those brass roller things com into play, or are the cases just throw away at that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoR Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 So is this where those brass roller things com into play, or are the cases just throw away at that point? A Case Pro would definitely solve this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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