PatriotMRD Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Moderators feel free to move if this is the wrong place. This is Steel Challenge specific and a real scenario, not hypothetical. A female competitor goes to use the facilities. Removes her belt at the neighboring safe area but, returns to the stage with her belt off, holster and gun still attached. She places belt on the table. Husband/boyfriend/fiance is loading mags and placing them in the mag pouches, handling said belt. DQ for her for carrying gun back in this manner? DQ for him for handling the belt with gun attached? The Steel Challenge rulebook, by itself, is silent on such a scenario. The USPSA rulebook calls for both to be DQed. Her for rule 5.2.1 (removing her belt with a holstered handgun outside the safe area), him for rule 10.5.1 (handling the belt with holstered handgun without direction of an RO). Both were DQed under this interpretation. Is this the correct call? I think it is. What do you think? Edited October 2, 2016 by PatriotMRD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 At this time, without a rules revision, I would say that it was not a DQ. If SC has it's own set of rules, then those are the rules that should be followed. You wouldn't apply 3 gun rules to a USPSA pistol match, so.... Others will be along to correct me, I'm sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 This is a very interesting question/scenario. I've forwarded your post to DNROI - I want to get his take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotMRD Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 Emailed DNROI as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Without rules, sadly, I have to agree with grumpy. But if it's "unsafe" to do this in USPSA, is it any l SS safe in SC? Obviously the answer is no. Sounds like SC needs some rules updated since they are officially under our umbrella now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 That's probably something that should be fixed -- I agree, no Dq under current SC rules..... In general, my take is that the safety rules should be as consistent as possible, across USPSA handgun, steel challenge, USPSA 3-gun and USPSA Multigun, allowing for only those deviations that are necessary due to a particular sport's or firearm's unique requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Emailed DNROI as well.It could be a few days before you hear back. The Nationals are going on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solvability Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 We had to DQ a very good shooter at a USPSA match for following rules that were clear under his usual game 3Gun - only the match rules you are shooting apply. I agree we need to harmonize the rules - safety is not game specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 19 hours ago, Sarge said: Without rules, sadly, I have to agree with grumpy. But if it's "unsafe" to do this in USPSA, is it any l SS safe in SC? Obviously the answer is no. Sounds like SC needs some rules updated since they are officially under our umbrella now Sadly, you have to agree with me? I apologize for making you sad, Sarge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Come on, Grumpy, you're a Moderator now - you don't have to apologize for making Sarge sad ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 12 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Come on, Grumpy, you're a Moderator now - you don't have to apologize for making Sarge sad ... That hurts Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Sarge said: That hurts Jack. What hurts Jack? A smashed toe? "That hurts, Jack."....punctuation matters at times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 "What hurts Jack? " Right now, everything hurts Jack - (played 2 hours of pickleball last night) "That hurts, Jack?" Naw. I've got thick skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Double Secret DQ! Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Double DQ was the right call according to DNROI. I will be modifying the draft of the new rules to incorporate more of the information from the USPSA Handgun rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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