MrRick Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just ordered an Armalite M15 VSR 18". I'm a big fan of Eotech due to ease of view. Even with astigmatism the reticle doesn't fuzz enough to bug me. My times improved dramatically going from a 1-4 scope to an Eotech. Where it sucked was in the long game. I only do local matches and the longest we do is 125 yards. Was looking at TA11F ACOGs (better eye relief) but the reticle does bother me, otherwise it would be perfect. Trying not to spend more than the ACOG. I added a Eotech magnifier to the Eotech (never got a chance to use in a match) but It was nice at the long game when being sighted in. The weight was too much though. I was using a Ruger SR 556 at the time. With the rifle loaded and Eotech and magnifier, the rifle was a hefty 13#. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 sounds like nice 1 - 4x should be fine - go for around $400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Just ordered an Armalite M15 VSR 18". I'm a big fan of Eotech due to ease of view. Even with astigmatism the reticle doesn't fuzz enough to bug me. My times improved dramatically going from a 1-4 scope to an Eotech. Where it sucked was in the long game. I only do local matches and the longest we do is 125 yards. Was looking at TA11F ACOGs (better eye relief) but the reticle does bother me, otherwise it would be perfect. Trying not to spend more than the ACOG. I added a Eotech magnifier to the Eotech (never got a chance to use in a match) but It was nice at the long game when being sighted in. The weight was too much though. I was using a Ruger SR 556 at the time. With the rifle loaded and Eotech and magnifier, the rifle was a hefty 13#. What did you have for a 1-4x before moving to the EOtech? 125 yards isn't very long at all. My first match was out to 225 yards and I muddled through with a Leupold Prismatic. The base shifted on me. That was my problem, not it being 1x. Therefore, I'm thinking some practice with the EOtech for 125 yard and shorter shots could be a better way to go. You said that the EOtech "sucked" for the "long game". Again 125 yards isn't long, but exactly why did you think it sucked? Exactly what was not working for you when you used it? Is it really a problem with your rifle's zero? Edited December 13, 2015 by michael1778 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRick Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) I had a Bushnell AR Optic. Had no issues shooting 100-300 yards with this. Couldn't use it for close targets/ Let me rephrase that, I sucked with the Eotech at anything over 100 yards when trying to hit 8" poppers. I just couldn't really see them or see where my hit were hitting. Was looking at this. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/838626/valdada-ior-pitbull-tactical-rifle-scope-35mm-tube-1x4x-32mm-switch-power-1-10-mil-adjustments-illuminated-cqb-reticle-matte-with-medium-picatinny-style-rings It has a large tube and very good field of view at 100 yrds, but the reviews that I'm seeing are not very good. To me that seemed like a good compromise. Trying not to do a red dot. Edited December 13, 2015 by MrRick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 You can get a real good 1 - 4x scope for MUCH less than that. Think you can even get a 1 - 6x for that much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRick Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Vortex Strike Eagle has crossed my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 If you don't bear the expense of travel, buy all the cheap scopes you want. Vortex has an AWESOME warranty, but you don't want you use that warranty in the middle of a match that you spent lots on money on to go to. That said. 1x optics???....Burris AR1x. Or Vortex Spark 1x4 or 1x6? AND you are only shooting local??? Vortex Strike Eagle is hard to beat for the low price point. If you are going to travel ($$$) then step up a bit and go Burris XTR2 1x5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntenseImage Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 If you don't bear the expense of travel, buy all the cheap scopes you want. Vortex has an AWESOME warranty, but you don't want you use that warranty in the middle of a match that you spent lots on money on to go to. That said. 1x optics???....Burris AR1x. Or Vortex Spark 1x4 or 1x6? AND you are only shooting local??? Vortex Strike Eagle is hard to beat for the low price point. If you are going to travel ($$$) then step up a bit and go Burris XTR2 1x5. Spark or Spitfire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 If you don't bear the expense of travel, buy all the cheap scopes you want. Vortex has an AWESOME warranty, but you don't want you use that warranty in the middle of a match that you spent lots on money on to go to. That said. 1x optics???....Burris AR1x. Or Vortex Spark 1x4 or 1x6? AND you are only shooting local??? Vortex Strike Eagle is hard to beat for the low price point. If you are going to travel ($$$) then step up a bit and go Burris XTR2 1x5. Spark or Spitfire? Spitfire...the reticle unit not the red dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 C-More C3, you won't look back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Leupold VX6 1-6X with CMR reticle OR (wait for it...) the new BDC reticle with the daylight visible dot which you all find so important. Good enuff for Horner, good enuff for you. (I still like the CMR reticle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I know it is not the darling scope anymore, but for the money I have yet to find a scope better and more robust than the burris mtac. I think there is a reason that everyone knows about how good that Vortex warrenty is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phong Nguyen Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Leupold VX6 1-6X with CMR reticle OR (wait for it...) the new BDC reticle with the daylight visible dot which you all find so important. Good enuff for Horner, good enuff for you. (I still like the CMR reticle). Leupold has a new one out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Holler at me. I can get you at least 10% off on most optics at optics planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRick Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Got to play with a few optics today. Was leaning towards a Vortex Razor HD 1-6 based on all the reviews I seen and the recommendation of others. Today I got to play for a bit with the Strike Eagle, Viper PST and Trijicon TR24. Liked the Viper more over the other, only complains is that the turrets are exposed and I found it hard to turn the magnification knob. Any one has this scope that can put their .02 in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Exposed turrets are no Bueno for guns that get dumped and picked up a bunch like those in 3-gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 At first glance I was also concerned about exposed turrets...have no such concerns atfer working with the Burris XTRII 1x5. This guy gives it a good review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) I've never payed much attention to the Vortex PST. I just remember when it first came out in 2011ish it was really popular as an entry level scope. Then suddenly it wasn't so popular. I had at least two shooting buddy's sell theirs because the turrets got inadvertently turned between stages and they didn't notice until they were racking up misses on the clock on the next stage. I'm hoping vortex changed the design. Either way if your turrets aren't capped check and double check them before you give them the shooter ready nod. Edited December 18, 2015 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I would prefer if the Burris turrets were capped! I don't see the need for the exposed units with a short range (5 or 6x) BDC scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhall Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Love my Razor 1-6, super clean reticle, with dot as needed. Built like a tank, no bs warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I would prefer if the Burris turrets were capped! I don't see the need for the exposed units with a short range (5 or 6x) BDC scope. Pat I wasn't disagreeing with you. I value your opinion and real world experience immensely. In fact I'm not the least bit experience with the current PST or Burris you mentioned. Do they maybe good to go. I just wanted caution everyone and to share the heartache I saw those guys suffer through. Ain't nobody got time to dat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRick Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) So there is a capped version of the Viper PST. I think I will go with that one. I think that will be good enough for club level matches. Thanks for your inputs. http://www.amazon.com/Vortex-1-4x24-Riflescope-Reticle-Turrets/dp/B007YQCPOM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1450444371&sr=8-3&keywords=viper+pst+1-4x24 Edited December 18, 2015 by MrRick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengreenwell Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Leupold VX6 1-6X with CMR reticle OR (wait for it...) the new BDC reticle with the daylight visible dot which you all find so important. Good enuff for Horner, good enuff for you. (I still like the CMR reticle). Leupold has a new one out? Im also interested in hearing about a new scope. Why can't Leopold make a firedot reticle with normal mil drops or some sort of BDC!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I would prefer if the Burris turrets were capped! I don't see the need for the exposed units with a short range (5 or 6x) BDC scope. Pat I wasn't disagreeing with you. I value your opinion and real world experience immensely. In fact I'm not the least bit experience with the current PST or Burris you mentioned. Do they maybe good to go. I just wanted caution everyone and to share the heartache I saw those guys suffer through. Ain't nobody got time to dat! And here I was trying to agree with you! We both feel capped turrets are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Aaahhh, its all hearts and flowers time.....get a room you two! They got to lock, or be capped! If they aren't you don't know where your first miss will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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