longbeard Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hello all, Picked up an Edge 5" Bull the other day. It's new to me, about 1k rounds through it. It is stock and has the RecoilMaster system in it. I'm wondering if there are any immediate upgrades I should make for reliability sake. Also, any thoughts on 165 vs. 180 projectiles with Titegroup as I have plenty of that powder. I'll be wanting to make both major and minor loads for the gun. I'd appreciate any insights you're willing to share. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hello: Use a stock guide rod spring setup. I would get ISMI 12.5lb and a 14lb to see what you like. I would do the same for bullet weight try both and even some 200 grain. After that it is all up to you. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassblower Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 A stock STI Edge is already pretty reliable. Where most reliability issues occur with it are in the magazines. If you don't already have tuned mags and haven't tuned mags before, check out Dawson's mag tuning kit. Edges in 40 also like long OAL such as 1.185 - 1.2. Most everything else you do to an Edge is related to your shooting prefs such as trigger, swapping the recoil master out for a standard guide rod, grip stippling, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Thoughts on which guide rod? Is an STI rod ok? Or do I want stainless or something. I know there is the Dawson tool-less, but more than I want to spend right now. Edited October 28, 2015 by longbeard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chips0410 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I love my Dawson toolless guide rods they are deff worth the money in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'm in about the same boat. Figuring out ammo/magazines is probably your first challenge. Titegroup and a 180 grain TC loaded to 1.18" OAL should be an excellent starting point. I've found that mine in particular will feed 1.135" ammo, but I also found out that's less of a consideration since my M&P will feed longer ammo as well. You get in kind of a chicken-egg problem: You can't make ammo that works unless you know your mags work, and you can't tune your mags unless you know the ammo will work. If it came with mags from the previous owner that work, I'd come up with a functional load with them. I only got one, but it was enough for ammo testing. I can't tell you firsthand how 200s work, but they're on my list to test as well, especially with the OAL bonus the STIs get you. While the Recoilmaster works, it's easier to do recoil spring tuning with a normal full length guide rod setup, which also gets you a little bit more heft underneath that already hefty FLDC. For major PF, I dig it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incorrigible Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Me and several of my teammates who shoot Edges (I shoot a DVC) load 180gr FP Ibejiheads over 4.2-4.4gr Titegroup @ 1.160 COL. Works well for all of us if we need to share for some reason. 4.3 to 4.4 insures major PF for level 2 and 3 matches. 4.2 usually make major and is the default for local level 1 matches. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hello: The EGW(for STI pistols) or STI guide rod will work fine. You can get all the parts from Shooters Connection. I never saw the need for the tool less one. Sometimes simple is just easier. I load to 1.180". Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racknrider Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 And throw a big fat magwell on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Awesome, Thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalJacket Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Dawson rod is the only one to get. Dawson ice magwell. STI mag release button on a Dawson posi lock release. I shoot my edge with a 16 lb spring and the stock main spring. My style of shooting has always had me with a heavy spring Mbx mags and double alpha holster stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 What about frame buffers? Do people regularly use these? I would envision these are for using a super light spring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Definitely get the dawson guide rod and I run a 13lb recoil spring. It seems to make a difference for me. I also use the dawson magwell for big hands and it is way more comfortable. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 What about frame buffers? Do people regularly use these? I would envision these are for using a super light spring? I use the egw buffers on both of my guns with a 13lb spring. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewilson224 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Guys and gals, While we are talking about this, what recoil spring/rod are you guys using for the .40 Edge? I have one that I bought earlier this year that I have only put about 50-100 rounds down range with it. I shot Glocks all year shooting Production, but have plans to run it in Limited in 2016 some with the Edge. I will be shooting major with 175 gr hi-tech coated TCBB. Thanks in advance guys. Have a safe week.EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyADub1 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Guys and gals, While we are talking about this, what recoil spring/rod are you guys using for the .40 Edge? I have one that I bought earlier this year that I have only put about 50-100 rounds down range with it. I shot Glocks all year shooting Production, but have plans to run it in Limited in 2016 some with the Edge. I will be shooting major with 175 gr hi-tech coated TCBB. Thanks in advance guys. Have a safe week. EW Dawson tool-less, 12lb spring from WIlson (they seem to fit over the guide rod better; make less noise than the Wolff's), and an EGW buffer. I replace buffer whenever it gets chewed up. Replace spring roughly every 3k rounds, or when I remember to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I've got an EGW and a 12# Wolff. No buffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokbok_05 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Replaced stock trigger group w/EGW sear & disconnector, DK hammer and SV trigger. DPM recoil system and did tri top and lightening serrations on the slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmetzler01 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Replaced stock trigger group w/EGW sear & disconnector, DK hammer and SV trigger. DPM recoil system and did tri top and lightening serrations on the slide. Solid upgrades. Lots of fitting to get it to work? What's the end result like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokbok_05 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Awesome results. Average of 1.8lbs crisp and reliable trigger pull. Now working on the owner to perform solidly?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Guys and gals, While we are talking about this, what recoil spring/rod are you guys using for the .40 Edge? I have one that I bought earlier this year that I have only put about 50-100 rounds down range with it. I shot Glocks all year shooting Production, but have plans to run it in Limited in 2016 some with the Edge. I will be shooting major with 175 gr hi-tech coated TCBB. Thanks in advance guys. Have a safe week. EW I just ditched the RecoilIMaster for an STI one-piece and a 12lb. Wolff. No complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewilson224 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Guys and gals, While we are talking about this, what recoil spring/rod are you guys using for the .40 Edge? I have one that I bought earlier this year that I have only put about 50-100 rounds down range with it. I shot Glocks all year shooting Production, but have plans to run it in Limited in 2016 some with the Edge. I will be shooting major with 175 gr hi-tech coated TCBB. Thanks in advance guys. Have a safe week. EW I just ditched the RecoilIMaster for an STI one-piece and a 12lb. Wolff. No complaints. Yeah, I am not a fan of the Recoil Master after shooing a friends set up which I am not sure what it is spring weight wise. His tracks incredibly flat compared to mine. Mine when shooting say a Bill Drill, I get the zipper effect. They keep rising up, where his is more just a big cluster of holes in the target. Thanks for the info guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Hello: One piece guide rod, I like STI or EGW's best. ISMI 12.5lb recoil spring but try a 14lb to see what you like best. 17lb ISMI mainspring and no shock buff. Some like a tungsten guide rod for the Edge type pistols but I have seen quite a few go flying out the end during a match. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBunniFuFu Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Run it the way it is now for a while before you decide to go changing anything, you might surprise yourself with how good a stock STI actually is. Figure out your ammo situation first. I prefer 200s over the 180s over the 165s. I use the same toolhead and the same powder charge only changing from 200s to 165s and those are minor rounds in my gun. I only have to change the recoil spring. In order of importance. Ammo, magazines/basepad, trigger, recoil system, magwell, grip. This is of course in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Run it the way it is now for a while before you decide to go changing anything, you might surprise yourself with how good a stock STI actually is. Figure out your ammo situation first. I prefer 200s over the 180s over the 165s. I use the same toolhead and the same powder charge only changing from 200s to 165s and those are minor rounds in my gun. I only have to change the recoil spring. In order of importance. Ammo, magazines/basepad, trigger, recoil system, magwell, grip. This is of course in my opinion. Handy idea switching weights with the same charge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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