cliffwalsh Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Does anyone have an opinion on which 627 is better for ICORE and or Steel?? Just got a good deal on a 357 and wondered what the peanut gallery thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sahlberg Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 This peanut gallery says you have the right gun. The .38 Super has more expensive brass and a whole lot less load data. Try .38 Colt Shorts with a 130 gr RN at 1.100" OAL using 4.6 gr of Universal Clays and a Fed 100 primer. 1135 fps = 147 pf but is accurate with low recoil. This is the shortest round and fastest to load in the gun. I have several .38 autos but never felt the urge to get a circle cycler in .38 Super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Cliff, I have shot a modified eight shot for a few years. I think the 38 Super is easier to speed load because of the length of the round. But there is the problem of the bullet "jump" to the forcing cone. My eight shot was chambered for the 38 specials and I get good accuaracy from it. If I went with the 38 super I would have the cylinder cut back and barrel set deeper in the frame to match. I think that would be the best of both worlds. Would you be shooting an Open Revo with optics or simply stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted March 16, 2005 Author Share Posted March 16, 2005 I will shoot stock. I'm a low tech kind of guy.... Would the 38 short colt have the same jump to the forcing cone problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8shooter Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 I have 1 of each ...... the only reason I prefer the super is for reloading. I reload same style as Jerry and my stubby little fingers just don't quite hold the cylinder open enough with the .357 The super doesn't have the indents on the outside of the cylinder and allows me to hold it fully open on the reload. My 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Great info....but where do you find 38 colt short brass? I just got one of the 627's in 38 spl and would love to make 'little' bullets for it... michaels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted March 16, 2005 Author Share Posted March 16, 2005 http://www.starlinebrass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 just one non-wheely's observation, but wouldn't buying obsolete, hard to find brass like .38 Colt Short, create the same problem as shooting the Super had in the first place? IF, IF I were gonna head down that road I would lean towards the .357 w/ .38 specials. I would guess at plated RN bullets, and high bulk / low density powder. Am I way off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedale Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Cliff, I had the same dillema and went the .357 route. I chamfered the cylinder a day or two ago and will polish the chambers sometime soon. We have two and both had heavy triggers and required a good polish to smooth them out. It's a fun gun to shoot. I'm going to shoot mine in open division Saturday to practice for Zookeepers ICORE match on the 26th. Have fun, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 There was several threads in the reloading forum about the short colt. They work well with oversize bullets. I got West coast 147RN .357 to do 2in at 25yds in my gun, so they can be accurate, but it will take some testing to find which one works for your gun. I did all this experimentation prior to getting my super. The super is much easier to load for, and it honestly loads faster with the moons than the 38 special does(hard to beat the short colt for loading though.... ) My two cents with having three 8 shot Revos...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted March 16, 2005 Author Share Posted March 16, 2005 Dirtypool, Our brass is on moonclips so it is easy to find and we get it all back so brass cost is not that big of a deal for the chosen few... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Yea, no such thing as a "lost brass" match for us. I've never had problems loading or ejecting .38 Special brass, so I never investigated shorter stuff. Theoretically, the shorter Super will wobble less, and create less potential for mis-alignment. But how much it matters in reality, I cannot say. As for short cases and the jump to the throats and forcing cone, PPC shooters have been using .357s for decades, loading them with .38 Special ammo. If anyone would complain of accuracy problems, they'd be the boys. Since they aren't bitchin, I suspect it isn't much of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8shooter Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 A friend of mine over here, has cut down .357 brass to just under and inch long and uses that!!!! He is the fastest 8 shot revolver reloader I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIX SHOT Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Cliff, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the cost of the 38 super moon clips! The last one's I bought from moonclips.com were over $7.00 each, when the RO steps on one you start thinking BAD thoughts. Also I only use R-P brass, any other brand is iffy, although I've heard Starline works as well. I have both guns and like them equally, but I do shorten the 38 specials, also I size my cast bullets .358" for both guns. The Supers (627-4) are hard to find, but the cost of the brass isn't a factor, just be sure and try different brands in your gun before stocking up, I made a mistake and bought a bunch of federal factory stuff and got a real surprise when I loaded it back up, because of the extractor cut, it wouldn't chamber! In my 38 special I also use R-P brass because it works best for me, easy to load the moonclips by hand without getting sore fingers. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestock Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I think that there is much more data on loading 38 super than 38 colt short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I'm waiting for the 627 8-shot in 9mm, yeah it will look funny but the cylinder will be light and easy to turn and the brass will go in and out fast. Jerry asked our class how many would like one, about half of us said yes, now all he has to do is convince S&W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdgun Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Try some 38 long colt brass, in length It is half way between super and 38 special. You can load it to about the same as 38 specials. Starline carries it.My 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 I saw that TK Custom has moonclips just for the 38 short colt. Do they work in the 38 special clips??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Some people have had accuracy problems with Short Colt due to the bullets distance from the forcing cone. Your results may vary, but I want all the accuracy I can get shooting Standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwmagnus Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Does anyone have an opinion on which 627 is better for ICORE and or Steel?? Just got a good deal on a 357 and wondered what the peanut gallery thought. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I posted on this awhile back. I too found a great deal on a 627 38/357 and am very happy with it. After researching the various cases that can be used I settled on the 38 Long Colt. It measures between the Short Colt and the 38 Special. A wide variety of bullets are available. The jump to the forcing cone isn't as long as the Short Colt. Standard moonclips can be used. The bullet wobble in the moonclip is about the same as in a 45ACP clip. It's about the best of all worlds. Get the brass from Starline and give it a try. Standard 38/357 dies reload them just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'd buy a 8-shot 627 in 9mm if it were available. Hell yeah, boyee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'd buy a 8-shot 627 in 9mm if it were available. Hell yeah, boyee! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A friend and I though it would be easy to have one custom built but where do you get an 8 shot cylinder thats not bored? You can't shorten a super or 38/357 because it won't have the small step at the end for centering the bullet. Any ideas? I've got an N frame waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'd think it'd have to be custom made. Then again, I've never owned a revolver. Seems like it'd be uber-cost prohibitive. Timing issues, etc... get ugly real quick-like. Wait for the 9mm... Jerry'll git 'er dun, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 How about taking a .357, shorten the cylinder back for short colt only, and then turn the barrel back...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthco Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I saw that TK Custom has moonclips just for the 38 short colt. Do they work in the 38 special clips??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I made the short colt clips because the Starline brass is to sloppy in my standard clips. Mike Ballard uses those same clips for long colt brass. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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