Onepocket Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Lots of crazy talk about plastic guns being at a disadvantage in production. Trigger, weight and all that crap. Any chance of a plastic gun winning at production nationals? Top 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I think that Max, Shane, Vogel & Leatham will all be shooting polymer guns. I would not count any of them out for a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I wouldn't count them out but I wouldn't put my money on them for a win, either. I'm not basing that off of the gun their using...Purely the competitor. Now if Nils showed up with a Glock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRush Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Year of the plastic? The Plastic Empire Strikes Back? No disrespect to the Tanfo hot dogs but there are multiple past or present world champions showing up with a plastic gun. It's perhaps going to be the most interesting Prod Nats ever for people who like to argue about guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It's perhaps going to be the most interesting Prod Nats ever for people who like to argue about guns. No doubt and hopefully you'll be able to watch it as it happens at www.liveshots.net The Ladies title will be interesting too; Julie, Randi, Jessie and Tori will be shooting polymer guns, while Sara, Maggie, Maria Gushchina, Christine Burkhalter will all be shooting steel guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 I think so to, wish I was going to watch. I did not see Max on the roster??? Is the French man coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdm3 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) I've seen Nils shooting Production with a Glock at the last few weekend matches at Rio so I think we will find out Now if Nils showed up with a Glock... Edited July 28, 2015 by mdm3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Max is on the list, I do not see Eric on the list. I think he is shooting Limited/Standard now. Edited July 28, 2015 by BritinUSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I've seen Nils shooting Production with a Glock at the last few weekend matches at Rio so I think we will find out Now if Nils showed up with a Glock... In that case, he's definitely rolling up with a TT Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I think so to, wish I was going to watch. I did not see Max on the roster??? Is the French man coming? I did not see Eric on the list. That's who my money would be on if he was competing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonovanM Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It's perhaps going to be the most interesting Prod Nats ever for people who like to argue about guns. No doubt and hopefully you'll be able to watch it as it happens at www.liveshots.net The Ladies title will be interesting too; Julie, Randi, Jessie and Tori will be shooting polymer guns, while Sara, Maggie, Maria Gushchina, Christine Burkhalter will all be shooting steel guns. Interesting from 2nd place down maybe. Maria will beat every other lady by at least 10%, if not 15. LOL Top 2 overall will be shooting Tanfoglios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 you're kidding, right? Plastic a disadvantage? Really, the best shooters haven't been shooting Production in the USA for a while, but when they were, Glock was it. Glock has fallen on hard times because of Gen 4 issues, and other stuff, but Gen 3 models are excellent. M+P so so. i forget the other plastic guns. you're information is incorrect. Shooters win matches not guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) The last stand-alone Production Nationals was 2013, Tanfoglio was first and second, Sevigny with FNS was 3rd, just 22 points behind Stoeger and Leatham was 4th. With so much talent in one place I don't see any one person dominating that match the way Eric did in 2013, so the match will be very close; One tiny mistake and the match could be over for any of the top competitors, Edited July 28, 2015 by BritinUSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnote Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Max is on the list, I do not see Eric on the list. I think he is shooting Limited/Standard now. I think for the time being, he is the guy to beat in any division. Couldn't be beat in open, then production, now maybe someone could disrupt his roll as he is shooting limited/standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It doesn't matter what guns they show up with. No one is beating Stoeger .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnote Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It doesn't matter what guns they show up with. No one is beating Stoeger .... i meant the guy who beat him last time, although he is the best this side of the pond for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 Did JJ just beat Ben in the World Shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Did JJ just beat Ben in the World Shoot? Production 1. Grauffel, Eric (FRA) 2. Racaza, Simon 3. Stoeger, Ben 4. Sebo, Robin 5. Momcilovic, Ljubisa 6. Yu, Paul Bryant 7. Mink, Matthew 8. Liehne, Zdenek 9. Pichugin, Alexey 10. Romitelli, German Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G T Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Nils is shooting production with a TT glock. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Production 1. Grauffel, Eric (FRA) 2. Racaza, Simon 3. Stoeger, Ben 4. Sebo, Robin 5. Momcilovic, Ljubisa 6. Yu, Paul Bryant 7. Mink, Matthew 8. Liehne, Zdenek 9. Pichugin, Alexey 10. Romitelli, German Robin Sebo is also signed up for the Production Nationals. Edited July 28, 2015 by BritinUSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) This is the list of the 29 GMs as of today. I did not include the "U" who may be GM shooters (like Max)...(Do we need anymore discussion about Production being a "newbie" division? )15-07-27-Production.pdf Edited July 29, 2015 by ChuckS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Production hasn't been a newbie division since Olhasso earned the first GM card in it -- about 13-14 years ago..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Maybe if a plastic gun wins the Natty then USPSA will dump "Carry Optics" and go back to production optics, with no weight limit... (I don't even feel bad about bringing that up here. Some men like to watch the world burn.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This is the list of the 29 GMs as of today. I did not include the "U" who may be GM shooters (like Max)... (Do we need anymore discussion about Production being a "newbie" division? ) 15-07-27-Production.pdf The spirit of Production was to allow a place for entry-level shooters to be competitive without having to spend Limited/Open equipment prices. Production Division was intended to comprise of carry pistols with carry equipment on a somewhat level playing field. Phil Strader wrote that but what does he know right? It may not be a newbie division anymore but it was intended to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This is the list of the 29 GMs as of today. I did not include the "U" who may be GM shooters (like Max)... (Do we need anymore discussion about Production being a "newbie" division? ) 15-07-27-Production.pdf The spirit of Production was to allow a place for entry-level shooters to be competitive without having to spend Limited/Open equipment prices. Production Division was intended to comprise of carry pistols with carry equipment on a somewhat level playing field. Phil Strader wrote that but what does he know right? It may not be a newbie division anymore but it was intended to be. A while back I went dumpster diving through the BOD minutes and only found a statement saying the intent of production was to open the game to more mmanufacturers and more shooters. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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