BitchinCamaro Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 If you're counting grams that hard, think of it as paying extra for a right side lightening slot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon49erfan Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 reciprocating weight vs static weight. it's the whole reason you pay double for a low mass carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I don't know anything about this company, but I did run across them last night while looking to see who is making right hand charging uppers. http://eisenacharms.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunfighteruk Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Eisenach are good people. They are looking at a new improved side charging handle , more like the one's we have no use on our AR's over here in the UK - were we are not allowed any centerfire semi auto rifles , open up the above picture. Edited July 7, 2015 by gunfighteruk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJW Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I haven't used it in live fire yet, but my g/f put together a Gibbz upper that I have played with a bit, and I think it is a really good design. It seems very ergonomic to me and I am really thinking about building an SBR upper around one of those. You do need to choose your scope mount carefully, though, but that seems to be the only real issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJW Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I don't know anything about this company, but I did run across them last night while looking to see who is making right hand charging uppers. http://eisenacharms.com/ That looks the same as the Young's side charger to me, but I might be missing something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) I don't know anything about this company, but I did run across them last night while looking to see who is making right hand charging uppers. http://eisenacharms.com/ That looks the same as the Young's side charger to me, but I might be missing something... I think that the difference lies in the slot the charging handle would normally go in. Eisenach Arms appears to leave it alone so you can put a normal charging handle in. Young appears to have some kind of flap that goes over the gap. Crosshill seems to have eliminated the wide slot but there's some kind of plug there - must have to do with removing the bolt since that channel has to remain open. Edited July 7, 2015 by Graham Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry weeks Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 My JP works just fine. Been very happy with it. Non-reciprocating and I'm using the Low Mass carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenach1 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Thought I'd chime in and give you guys some background in regards to our Products. Our Upper receiver is made to run with any mil-spec BCG, since we retain the top-charge handle. You can also run a Young mfg. Side-Charge BCG and of course an Eisenach Arms BCG. On the flip side, our Bolt Carriers will also work in a Mega mfg. Upper Receiver. Glad to answer any questions regarding the subject! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Thought I'd chime in and give you guys some background in regards to our Products. Thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 BTW, one consideration for any side charger with a reciprocating handle is that the handle has to be removed to remove the BCG for cleaning. Not sure if that impacts on anyone reading this or not. Also, the little thing sticking out of the back of the Crosshill uppers is listed as being a gas stop/timing bolt. I get the gas stop part of this but not sure what the timing bolt refers to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 The handle unscrews, on a slow day it doesn't take over 15/20 seconds. My LAR is the progenitor of the Crosshill and the little bolt is basically a BCG stop. I don't grasp the "timing" part either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoGringo Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) I own and used a Mega side-charger with a Young Manufacturing side-charging BCG for 3-gun. It was good, but provided zero advantages over a normal charging handle practically speaking. It was easier to unload and show clear, but the charging handle tried to back out spontaneously. To remedy that situation, you can't use loctite because you've got to break that seal every time you clean the gun because you have to remove the charging handle, so what I did was use a rubber O-ring around the base of the threads and that worked. Unfortunately, I guess because the threads weren't completely in the BCG, the handle broke from the threads during a course of fire. It didn't stop or interfere with my shooting, but it's definitely a negative. It cost me at least (if I remember correctly) $20 to replace the charging handle. The side-charging handle never interfered with any shooting positions (I've never really understood that "drawback" because every AK on the planet I know of uses a side-charging handle and they have no problems), but in my opinion, it's a novelty that offers no practical advantages. I've since built an AR specifically for 3-gun and returned to the standard charging handle option. I still have the side-charging handle upper, but it's been relegated to a more precision type rig. Edited July 9, 2015 by LocoGringo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Here are the pics of my left side charge M 3000, modified by MOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 The handle unscrews, on a slow day it doesn't take over 15/20 seconds. My LAR is the progenitor of the Crosshill and the little bolt is basically a BCG stop. I don't grasp the "timing" part either. The Crosshill web site says to use blue Loctite on the handle. I've seen the same recommendation for other brands as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenach1 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Loctite is good, but we just put an Allen wrench/small screw driver or piece of metal through the handle and crank er down. Never comes loose! Recommend Side Charge for hunting, bench, or if you are building a Pistol AR. Have had law enforcement love it also, since it doesn't interfere with their body armor like that of a ext left latch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitchinCamaro Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) Blue locktite. 30 inch lbs of torque. No backouts. No biggie to clean. Spritz of Hornady one shot every match or so. Melonite/Nickel Boron everything. I almost never clean my AR (2-3K round cleaning interval) and it's my only gun that runs 100% of the time. Edited July 10, 2015 by BitchinCamaro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Loctite is good, but we just put an Allen wrench/small screw driver or piece of metal through the handle and crank er down. Never comes loose! Recommend Side Charge for hunting, bench, or if you are building a Pistol AR. Have had law enforcement love it also, since it doesn't interfere with their body armor like that of a ext left latch. I'm looking at a side charge upper for precision/dmr shooting. Lots of prone and supported shooting where a standard charging handle becomes a real hassle. Because I'm already conditioned to use my right hand from operating a bolt gun, this seems a natural progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CStrabala Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) That's sweet, how do you like it. Here are the pics of my left side charge M 3000, modified by MOA. Edited July 10, 2015 by CStrabala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitchinCamaro Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) I'm looking at a side charge upper for precision/dmr shooting. Lots of prone and supported shooting where a standard charging handle becomes a real hassle. Because I'm already conditioned to use my right hand from operating a bolt gun, this seems a natural progression. I'm biased because I have one, but I bet you won't regret going with the Crosshill/LAR. I doubt anyone makes a crappy side charging upper, but they've been at it a long time and the attention to tolerances on their flagship models is notable. Almost all the hunting/shooting out here in Utah can be considered long range and the precision shooters out here are downright fanatical about their gear. Before the Remingtion buyout, the OPS4 was the regional go-to upper for small caliber gas-gun precision shooting. Additionally, the pretty mountains on their website are literally the ones that run across the view of their shop in West Valley (Salt Lake City) , and it's not much of a stretch to think that the Crosshill/LAR tests at/for those conditions and altitudes. http://www.702shooter.com/product-reviews/lar-grizzly-ops-4-side-charging-upper-receiver-review/ Edited July 10, 2015 by BitchinCamaro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitchinCamaro Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Oh, and there was one match last year when I had my gas block set too low and I switched ammo between stages (like an idiot). There wasn't enough gas flow to cycle the bolt, so I had to manually rack the charge handle for each shot. With a left side charger I was still able to keep my cheek-weld and sight picture between shots. Even though I was basically shooting a bolt gun I still managed to get a mid-pack stage time. It was actually fun as hell once I got over the frustration of starting a stage with a brain-fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 CStrabala: I like it as it came out like I expected. Haven't fired it yet (received this week) but I'll get out this weekend or Monday and shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenach1 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 In starting Eisenach Arms Inc, my brother and I purchased many, if not all side-charge uppers, to see what we could improve upon. During testing, we found that the charge handles either bent over time, or completely broke. This is one thing we wanted to stress in our production. You will not bend or break our handles! (I've stood on it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 You don't appear to do left side charge, do you ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Who can I get to cut some material out of my Crosshill BCG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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