Zerwas Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 A related question for you folks "in the know".. When using an SV limited gun, do you download to 19 rounds (20 rd capacity magazine) for each magazine 'cept the first one to make the reloads easier? I have started to do this so I don't have to fight the extra magazine spring tension. What do you GM's do? Looking more for a Limited gun set up,,,,Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 TRP, Heck yeah. I will always download my mag by a round...IF I have plenty of cushion. It doesn't matter how many rounds you have if the gun won't run. Do whatever you can to make sure it has the best chance of running. You do have to make sure you won't be super-close to running a magazine empty though. (plan your stage out well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 Not a GM, but nearly everyone will sacrifice getting that last tight round in the mag, for a smooth, confidant reload. Don't ever let yourself become the guy that puts the mag in the gun, then smacks the bottom to make sure it won't fall out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Marques Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I'm with Flex and Wide-extra ammo won't do you much good if it you have to do a tap & rack. I have been shooting a lot of Production over the last two years-the extra reloads don't hurt as much as the minor power factor does!! I also am not a "GM", but I know a few-Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I'm gonna agree: it's dictated by stage design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerwas Posted February 16, 2005 Author Share Posted February 16, 2005 Thanks for the replies. My gun works 100% with the magazines loaded to maximum capacity, its just a bit harder to load quicker. I get the gist of what you all are saying. I'll plan the stage and load accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 With my open gun, I never had a problem seating mags at full capacity, although I'd sometimes download the big stick by one round, if I had to reload to it (not desirable, though). However, on speed shoots, I'd typically load 15 rds per mag (which was down 8), the idea being that the lighter mag is easier to load, and the lighter gun is easier to point. I also practiced reloads both w/ full mags, and w/ mags holding 15 rounds. I haven't decided, at this point, if I'd have been better off loading them full and allowing the extra weight to temper my speed (and therefore make a smoother reload)... play with it and see what works for you Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 Don't ever let yourself become the guy that puts the mag in the gun, then smacks the bottom to make sure it won't fall out. The extra time to do the "bottom smack" takes as long as a complete reload..or durn near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 19 rounds here, speed shoots 15. Part of stage management is making sure you have extra rounds "in case." I'm not a believer of not doing a reload to "save" time. If you have a step you can reload, if not practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 Don't ever let yourself become the guy that puts the mag in the gun, then smacks the bottom to make sure it won't fall out. The extra time to do the "bottom smack" takes as long as a complete reload..or durn near. That's why you whack the hell out of the fracker on its way in the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I'll usually put 20 in a mag for Open and 28 in the big stick. Always go for reliablility first. On speed shoots I'll use as little as possible. I won't load more than 10 rounds on the 6 reload 6 stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I run my mags at full or -1 capacity. I want the same weight in the gun each time for the draw. A light gun comes out of my holster and points high on or above the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I run my mags at full or -1 capacity. I want the same weight in the gun each time for the draw. A light gun comes out of my holster and points high on or above the target. I started to say something smartass about Erik's reply - I use the sights to point my gun - but thats a good point.. Isn't it? Consistancy in the weight of the gun when drawn probably makes the chance of the good first shot a little greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I run my mags at full or -1 capacity. I want the same weight in the gun each time for the draw. A light gun comes out of my holster and points high on or above the target. Do you find that you shoot high as your gun empties when you shoot it? Ive never noticed a difference, even when I was messing around with heavy versus light guide rods. We're all unique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I run my mags at full or -1 capacity. I want the same weight in the gun each time for the draw. A light gun comes out of my holster and points high on or above the target. And you practice reloads with a CRTC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 L2S, I sometimes notice a little more flip in Limited when the gun is near-empty. But I never draw it that way and rarely need to present it to a target near-empty. (Think two arrays of eight shots.) By presenting, I mean after moving. If the gun's already up there it's not an issue. 300#, Weight is more important on the draw than reloading for me. Of course, I practice draws with the CRTC. It's not 20 rounds of 180gr but it's good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 300#, Weight is more important on the draw than reloading for me. Of course, I practice draws with the CRTC. It's not 20 rounds of 180gr but it's good enough. I wasn't comparing the weight, but rather the feel of the two activities. You're not just fighting the weight on an actual reload, but the spring tension at the end of it. I just feel like givin' you static, dawg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kory Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 I have never even considered downloading a mag. I like everything to be the same as much as possible, so I don't have to think. I bet I would fudge up if I had to remember that I am a little short on this mag or that mag. My subconsious round counter is not very adjustable. Last match, I finished 3 stages with either an empty mag in the gun, or just 1 round left in the mag, but not slide locked. I guess I haven't had too worry about it too much since what I have works fine with all 20 rounds crammed in there.....now where is some wood I can knock on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 I load 20 in the first mag, and 19 in all the others. I will download even further when I am shooting a stage that is something like shoot 6, reload, shoot 6. I do this for the reason you mentioned, it is easier, but I also do it because it is easier on the plastic grip frame near the mag catch in an STI, and easier on the mag too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 speed shoots and classifiers i only load 8-10 rounds in the mags, any other course, it goes to 18-20 depending on the stage. all the mags i reload with in a field course have 18-19 rounds in them. when i shoot production, i still have a few of those neutered 10 round 9mm mags, in that situation, i suggest you load to full capacity. glocks 10 round 9mm mags can be hard to seat when they are new, now mine are far, far from new.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I've had 3 different guns with mags that would *do things* when dropped with more than 4 rounds in them as they hit the ground. Things like stick the top round straight up vertical thru the feed lips, etc. Because of that I almost never load in excess of 4 extra rounds. Like Jake said, ten rounds in a 6-reload-6 speed shoot is plenty. If I'm going to drop a big stick after say 21 rounds, I'd put in 25. Unless the big stick is taking on the Texas Star. Then the thing is full. Just a side note, I've found that ALL hi-cap mags feed & behave better if you don't load & make ready off of them. LAMR off a stoker mag with one round in it. Or some back-up mag from the back of your belt. Then jam in the fresh hi-cap & holster the gun. My $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 run the mag with the capacity to make the reload easier and the first one full up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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