dart368 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 It is their "Ultimate" trigger for $250, model number: FUL-ULT-9-B-R with the red trigger safety tip. I have a chance to get one half priced but want to make sure it is production leagal. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairmckenzie1 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The trigger itself is an externally visible part, and Zev machines their own out of aluminum. It's not legal for Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 They (ZEV) do however, make ones with the Glock trigger and trigger safety to maintain the looks of a stock Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The zev ultimate basic is production and ssp legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) The zev ultimate basic is production and ssp legal. Have they changed the design in the past year or so? Edited March 6, 2015 by spanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dart368 Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 The trigger itself is an externally visible part, and Zev machines their own out of aluminum. It's not legal for Production. So is it because it is externally visible and/or made out of aluminum? They (ZEV) do however, make ones with the Glock trigger and trigger safety to maintain the looks of a stock Glock. Is it because it doesn't have a "Glock Trigger And Trigger Safety"? The zev ultimate basic is production and ssp legal. Is there a difference between the "Ultimate" and the "Ultimate Basic"? I didn't see the "Basic" model on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 In my opinion, none of the Zev trigger bars are Production legal. The issue is that it's an externally visible modification. If you can look at it next to a stock one and see a difference, it's not legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Here's the one I have in my G17. It uses a factory trigger/safety pad. http://zevtechnologies.com/Products/Trigger-Kits/ZEV-Standard-Trigger-Ultimate-Kit-1st-3rd-Gen-9mm_2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 The trigger itself is an externally visible part, and Zev machines their own out of aluminum. It's not legal for Production. So is it because it is externally visible and/or made out of aluminum? Yes. Production, you are not allowed to modify externally visible parts except for a very small list (that does not include the trigger). Because Zev manufactures the trigger, that means using Zev's trigger is an external modification, and not legal for Production. If they made their own out of plastic, that would still be the case. Here's the one I have in my G17. It uses a factory trigger/safety pad. http://zevtechnologies.com/Products/Trigger-Kits/ZEV-Standard-Trigger-Ultimate-Kit-1st-3rd-Gen-9mm_2.html Factory safety and factory-style safety are not the same thing. I would want to be super clear on what I was getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 The trigger itself is an externally visible part, and Zev machines their own out of aluminum. It's not legal for Production. So is it because it is externally visible and/or made out of aluminum? Yes. Production, you are not allowed to modify externally visible parts except for a very small list (that does not include the trigger). Because Zev manufactures the trigger, that means using Zev's trigger is an external modification, and not legal for Production. If they made their own out of plastic, that would still be the case. Here's the one I have in my G17. It uses a factory trigger/safety pad. http://zevtechnologies.com/Products/Trigger-Kits/ZEV-Standard-Trigger-Ultimate-Kit-1st-3rd-Gen-9mm_2.html Factory safety and factory-style safety are not the same thing. I would want to be super clear on what I was getting. I doubt ZEV would waste their time making those POS triggers. They probably buy them from GLock like a lot of other parts they use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 The trigger itself is an externally visible part, and Zev machines their own out of aluminum. It's not legal for Production. So is it because it is externally visible and/or made out of aluminum? Yes. Production, you are not allowed to modify externally visible parts except for a very small list (that does not include the trigger). Because Zev manufactures the trigger, that means using Zev's trigger is an external modification, and not legal for Production. If they made their own out of plastic, that would still be the case. Here's the one I have in my G17. It uses a factory trigger/safety pad. http://zevtechnologies.com/Products/Trigger-Kits/ZEV-Standard-Trigger-Ultimate-Kit-1st-3rd-Gen-9mm_2.html Factory safety and factory-style safety are not the same thing. I would want to be super clear on what I was getting. It's a factory trigger bar that's been polished. So, there is no "external modification". I've used that pistol at 2 area matches and 1 sectional match, so it's been checked 3 times with no issue. I agree that you need to be sure, as some of their triggers would not be production legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Show me a picture of the right side of the Glock factory trigger and the right side of the zev trigger. Edit. I'll save you the trouble. You're telling me this isn't externally visible? Edited March 7, 2015 by spanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 The other part that sucks in Glock-land is when you start making pre-travel adjustments to the trigger that involve where the trigger safety naturally sits, that also, if I remember correctly, counts as an external modification. I can tell from spanky's photo that #2 is clearly different from #1, but even if you took a factory trigger and altered the safety, man, I'd have a tough time without some graph paper and a white-gloved sergeant-major. I know it sucks, but it's about the best way I know to deal with it. I deal with the same thing with my various Apex triggers for M&Ps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 This is the trigger I use that is billed as production and ssp legal. It does use a stock glock trigger and safety http://zevtechnologies.com/Products/Trigger-Kits/ZEV-Standard-Trigger-Ultimate-Kit-4th-Gen-9mm_2.html It's is not a fulcrum or any other zev trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Just another reason not to shoot production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) This is the trigger I use that is billed as production and ssp legal. It does use a stock glock trigger and safety http://zevtechnologies.com/Products/Trigger-Kits/ZEV-Standard-Trigger-Ultimate-Kit-4th-Gen-9mm_2.html It's is not a fulcrum or any other zev trigger. The picture in the link you posted is exactly the same as the comparison picture I posted. Again, does that not look externally visible? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edit: English. Edited March 7, 2015 by spanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 This is the trigger I use that is billed as production and ssp legal. It does use a stock glock trigger and safety http://zevtechnologies.com/Products/Trigger-Kits/ZEV-Standard-Trigger-Ultimate-Kit-4th-Gen-9mm_2.html It's is not a fulcrum or any other zev trigger. The picture in the link you posted is exactly the same as the comparison picture I posted. Again, does that not look externally visible? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edit: English. The trigger is externally visible, but is a stock glock part (trigger with trigger bar) that has been polished. What am I missing here that you are taking issue with? I'll shoot a photo tomorrow of a bone stock glock vs the one that has the trigger under debate. I should mention that I no longer have a dog in the fight as I've since switched to a CZ for production. But, I always find these debates interesting as they point of the shortcomings of production rules and never fail to start heated debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) This is the trigger I use that is billed as production and ssp legal. It does use a stock glock trigger and safety http://zevtechnologies.com/Products/Trigger-Kits/ZEV-Standard-Trigger-Ultimate-Kit-4th-Gen-9mm_2.html It's is not a fulcrum or any other zev trigger. The picture in the link you posted is exactly the same as the comparison picture I posted. Again, does that not look externally visible? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edit: English. The trigger is externally visible, but is a stock glock part (trigger with trigger bar) that has been polished. What am I missing here that you are taking issue with? I'll shoot a photo tomorrow of a bone stock glock vs the one that has the trigger under debate. I should mention that I no longer have a dog in the fight as I've since switched to a CZ for production. But, I always find these debates interesting as they point of the shortcomings of production rules and never fail to start heated debates. Did you see the picture I posted?The top one came straight from their website as linked by members here as legal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited March 7, 2015 by spanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 You can try contacting Zev directly concerning their Production Legal trigger. I can't find his post but Yar (Ray W) basically said they got the OK from Amidon years ago. IIRC Glock actually has that extra pin in earlier iterations of their stock trigger. That's why Amidon approved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 You can try contacting Zev directly concerning their Production Legal trigger. I can't find his post but Yar (Ray W) basically said they got the OK from Amidon years ago. IIRC Glock actually has that extra pin in earlier iterations of their stock trigger. That's why Amidon approved it. OK -- but unless John's the RM, the final call rests with the RM at whatever match the trigger is used in...... That's taking a risk as a competitor..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 OMG. More USPSA BS. So the NROI Director doesn't have the say on what's legal or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) OMG. More USPSA BS. So the NROI Director doesn't have the say on what's legal or not? He is not saying that. He is saying that since there was no offcial ruling on it and published, if you are at a match and your trigger comes into question, the match RM would make the decision at that time. There is no BS, it's just how you make decisions on rules. Isn't this the same as in a court? If a judge told you something but did not rule on it, there is no precedent to base a decision on so another judge makes a decision based on their knowledge of the situation. Edited March 7, 2015 by gng4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Exactly. Spanky's main issue (I believe) is you can see the two pins on the ZEV and not the stock Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Exactly right, Trace. I sent these pictures to Amidon years ago. I don't remember his answer but it was questionable. I was also told by Ray that Amidon gave them the okay.I don't think it's worth the risk. It's externally visible. Period. If you say otherwise then you're simply blind or in denial. And no, it doesn't matter what DNROI's opinion is unless it's voted upon and published. Edited March 7, 2015 by spanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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