azfred Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) So..i have been using federal 115 grain in my 929. I'm building up a stash of brass only shot in my revo...while shooting...the recoil is pulling bullets out of the case in the cylinder due to almost no crimp...i have opened the cylinder for a reload and had bullets and powder fall out the end of cylinder...anyone had similar issues Edited February 2, 2015 by azfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchapman Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I have had the same issue with my 986, and also with my 625, I shoot my reloads and so I had to crimp heaver, but with the 986 it's a balancing act to have enough crimp and not swedge the bullet down which in my case the bullet would keyhole on the target. I haven't heard that anyone was having this issue with factory rounds and assumed that this was just a reloading issue with me. The tighter crimp has stopped the bullet working forward, but like I mentioned I have to be careful and swedge or undersize the bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Try a Lee/EGW "U" (undersized) die. You'll get more neck tension without having to bite the case mouth into the bullet. If you go with the U die, I suggest using a little lube. Someone on this board suggested putting an eraser sized dollop of lanoline in the palm of one hand, rub your hands together, then through your clean brass. That's been working well for me. (FYI, Dillon case lube is just lanoline and alcohol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (All of which defeats the entire purpose of having a 929 in the first place.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azfred Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Try a Lee/EGW "U" (undersized) die. You'll get more neck tension without having to bite the case mouth into the bullet. If you go with the U die, I suggest using a little lube. Someone on this board suggested putting an eraser sized dollop of lanoline in the palm of one hand, rub your hands together, then through your clean brass. That's been working well for me. (FYI, Dillon case lube is just lanoline and alcohol). ummm..thanks, but im using factory ammo....if i was reloading it there would be no issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azfred Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 (All of which defeats the entire purpose of having a 929 in the first place.) thats the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copr93647 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Has anyone asked Federal about this? This sounds like defective ammo...not a flaw in the gun. If this same ammo was fired in a semi-auto, wouldn't striking the feed ramp push the bullet in deeper? And if the crimp is insufficient, wouldn't these rounds have headspace issues in a semi-auto? I'd like to hear what Federal would have to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azfred Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Has anyone asked Federal about this? This sounds like defective ammo...not a flaw in the gun. If this same ammo was fired in a semi-auto, wouldn't striking the feed ramp push the bullet in deeper? And if the crimp is insufficient, wouldn't these rounds have headspace issues in a semi-auto? I'd like to hear what Federal would have to say...I contacted federal...they didn't really care...their response "yea, we hear about this from time to time when people shoot guns in calibers that were designed for semi autos and not revolvers" i was a bit surprised, i told them i wasn't trying to get anything from them. I just wanted them to know. He said he would make a note that i called about the issue, and that was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azfred Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Also...i never said it was a defect in the gun...i am very well aware that its an ammo issue....i speak very highly of my 929 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azfred Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 I also suggested to federal that increasing case neck tension and crimp in the future may be prudent as more and more of these guns hit the market...fell on deaf ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 ATK owns Federal. Someone I know used to work there. They are bad people to work for, so probably don't like customers too much either, unless you're a zillion dollar entity giving them a huge contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRodriguez Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 not really defective ammo, as the 9mm was designed to be fired out of a semi-auto. all it has to survive is once up the feed ramp, and that is what a taper crimp was designed for, to keep the bullet from being pushed down into the case. The profile crimp is intended for the revolvers. a revolver is basically a kinetic bullet puller. that is why we tend to crimp the hell out of our handloads, and I do use a taper crimp for all my revo loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9146gt Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I have seen this in other factory loads testing my 929. +1 on what John said Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azfred Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 Again...i never said the ammo was defective...i never said the gun was defective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Again...i never said the ammo was defective...i never said the gun was defective... ...so who's fault is it? Go through the last few pages of 929 topics in the revolver forum, Clearly there is nothing but issues with getting ammo to work properly in the 929, EVERYBODY I know that has one, has issues getting ammo to work right, either with bullet pull, stick cases, and extraction issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9146gt Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Accuracy is the main issue here, anyone have a load that will shoot under 2.5" at 50 yards consistently? All 8 rounds. And repeat.At least 120 PF. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I have one of the first ones out of the factory. It will shoot under 3 inches at 50 with my PPC load of Sierra 115s and Power Pistol. No sticky brass, no bullet pulling, ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I have one of the first ones out of the factory. It will shoot under 3 inches at 50 with my PPC load of Sierra 115s and Power Pistol. No sticky brass, no bullet pulling, ect. What powder charge and OAL is your load? Also are you taper cimping or roll crimping? Any issues with bullet setback after a few rounds have been fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 What powder charge and OAL is your load? Also are you taper cimping or roll crimping? Any issues with bullet setback after a few rounds have been fired? I am using Titegroup, roll sized brass and 147 Zero Jacketed FMJ s or plated 165 Extreme loaded to about a 130-132 pf. Taper crimp. After the 7th shot the 8th round still measures the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azfred Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Again...i never said the ammo was defective...i never said the gun was defective... ...so who's fault is it? Go through the last few pages of 929 topics in the revolver forum, Clearly there is nothing but issues with getting ammo to work properly in the 929, EVERYBODY I know that has one, has issues getting ammo to work right, either with bullet pull, stick cases, and extraction issues. not really anyones fault, just working the kinks out of something...now that i have a good supply of brass fired from my 929 i will reload for it, the testing i have done with sizing brass fired from the gun shows no issues with stuck cases or pulled bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 What powder charge and OAL is your load? Also are you taper cimping or roll crimping? Any issues with bullet setback after a few rounds have been fired? I am using Titegroup, roll sized brass and 147 Zero Jacketed FMJ s or plated 165 Extreme loaded to about a 130-132 pf. Taper crimp. After the 7th shot the 8th round still measures the same. Sorry, I'm confused. Initially you mentioned 115's and power pistol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Sorry, I'm confused. Initially you mentioned 115's and power pistol? That is an old standby PPC load that is one of the most accurate loads I have. It is accurate in all my pistols. I use the heavy bullets and fast powders for ICORE and USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Gotcha. Do you mind spilling the beans on your PPC load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I had some 9mm I ran through my 627, to see if and how much they backed out, they did some .010. I pulled the bullet to see if it was undersized, nope. However it was a 115 grain round nose bullets which had very little bearing surface. I wonder since the 124's and and 130 ish bullets are longer maybe they will not pull the bullet during recoil. There was very little area behind the crimp mark holding the bullet in place during recoil. Did anyone look into that aspect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkfranklin22 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 has anyone shot a lot of lead out of there 929? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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