tires2burn Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I have a 550 and am loading some 223 with varget. Are there any methods to get the powder to meter correctly? I know its a difficult powder to meter but its all I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Rod Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Stick and flake powders are not going to meter as well as ball powders. Some folks polish the inside of the powder measure but that didn't make any difference on mine. Even with a very smooth and consistent stroke I still got the occasional .3-.4 variance when my ball powders were consistently +/- .1. Edited September 23, 2014 by Dirty Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tires2burn Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 That's the same + & - I'm getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopps Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) This helps get it to within one thousands, http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1231 edit: This helps "me" get it to within one thousands or very close. Edited September 23, 2014 by chopps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 This helps get it to within one thousands I think Uniquetek would dispute that endorsement. Do powders like Varget meter better through a standard drum style powder measure or the Dillon slide style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 This helps get it to within one thousands I think Uniquetek would dispute that endorsement. I'd agree, the micrometer definitely adds precision and repeatability to adjusting the slide bar, but it doesn't help with metering consistency. I thought that people reported polishing the funnel and drop helps with metering extruded powders? I haven't done it but thought about trying to see if it made a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buruli Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 At the end of each stroke give a little double tap on the handle. This seems to help for me with Varget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 A little polishing here and there on the Dillon measure helps a bunch. I have a Harrell (Benchrest measure) Culver type measure and it struggles with all large kernel stick powders as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopps Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 This helps get it to within one thousands I think Uniquetek would dispute that endorsement. Do powders like Varget meter better through a standard drum style powder measure or the Dillon slide style? Well before i started use it i was 2 maybe 3 tenths off and since i have been using it i am about 1 maybe 2 tenths off now so thats what i see. Now maybe it was something else before i started using it but its alot closer now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonF Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 For some bizarre reason, the El Cheapo Lee Perfect Powder Measure can throw big stick powder with a degree of accuracy that other measures many times its price cannot. The only problem is adapting it to your press. Thread adapters do exist that let you physically mount it to a progressive, but there is no actuation so you are pulling the measure's handle manually when your press is paused at the upstroke. It must be something to do with loose tolerances and big powder measuring chambers and drop chutes because the only downside is that it does not work well with fine ball powder--it will leak powder from the gaps in the mechanism. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/540522/lee-perfect-powder-measure http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1370 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The inconsistency in the metering of extruded powders is caused by the random way in which the grains of powder fall into the recepticle area of the powder measure (whether bar or drum). Consistent stroke will help but only so far. The best solution is to find the right place on your accuracy node so that the effect on your POI from the variance is minimized. Eliminating the variance entirely would involve weighing every charge which is not why you bought a progressive press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tires2burn Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 TODDKS The other powders I use for pistol work fine but Varget is a PITA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC702 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 For some bizarre reason, the El Cheapo Lee Perfect Powder Measure can throw big stick powder with a degree of accuracy that other measures many times its price cannot. ... I've found the same. I'm mostly using the Dillon for pistol loading anyway, and flake or ball powders. Most of my rifle stuff is loaded on the single-stage and I've had much better results from the Lee Perfect Powder Measure with the extruded powders, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tires2burn Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 When I first got my 550 I used the lee powder drop and it worked great for pistol. That was before I started loading 223. Since then I sold my lee equipment and have all Dillon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 TODDKS The other powders I use for pistol work fine but Varget is a PITA. That is why I run H335 for most of my .223 loads. H335 meters great. I use Varget for one load .223 load in particular but I weigh every charge. Most of my Varget is used in .308 and I weigh every charge and trickle up. If you think Varget is bad, try IMR 4064. IMR 4064 is the worst I have dealt with in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tires2burn Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 I just loaded up 50 rounds and hand weighed them all. I don't like the idea that the weight is all over the scale so hand weighing is where its at for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kampr Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 From an earlier discussion on the "Metering Varget" topic; The "Holy Grail" for me has been the addition of the RCBS Uniflow with the case activated linkage kit. It throws very consistent charges and the long drop tube has virtually eliminated the bridging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 From an earlier discussion on the "Metering Varget" topic; The "Holy Grail" for me has been the addition of the RCBS Uniflow with the case activated linkage kit. It throws very consistent charges and the long drop tube has virtually eliminated the bridging. PM1.jpg PM2 (347x800).jpg Dale, where you get that crazy idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kampr Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Dale, where you get that crazy idea? I think I found it a couple years ago,…when the ‘search feature’ worked. This “chick” named Denise said she thought about it while sitting on a cactus and told her ol’man about it,…or something like that…… <(oldfart syndrome) Btw, I thought you would have jumped in here way earlier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Dale, where you get that crazy idea? I think I found it a couple years ago,…when the ‘search feature’ worked. This “chick” named Denise said she thought about it while sitting on a cactus and told her ol’man about it,…or something like that…… <(oldfart syndrome) Btw, I thought you would have jumped in here way earlier! :roflol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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