JesseM Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I wasn't sure how to phrase this. Basically if I am on a square range with all the time in the world my groups shoot POA no problem. I am not that accurate in general, I can get a decent group at 15 yards and at 25 yards I can get all of them on an A4 sheet of paper so I need to work on that for sure but the gun shoots POA so I know the sights are adjusted correctly. However in a match when the buzzer goes off I shoot low. I thought "Well hell I'll just aim higher." but that's not fixing anything. I aim for the top part of the A zone and sometimes I will get lucky and get them both in the A zone, sometimes I will get one in the A zone and then one in the C and sometimes I will get two right next to each other in the C zone. What am I doing and how do I stop it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRevolutionIX Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 My first guess would be during match shooting you are anticipating recoil and are trying to fight or "control" the gun before the shot is actually broken. During "square range"'shooting, I am assuming you are taking each individual shot, allowing the gun to recoil naturally and pausing to allow the sights to be perfect again before taking the next shot. Another idea would be how your eyes are seeing the sights in relation to targets. During your "square range" shooting you have all the time to posistion your sights perfectly to where you want your shots to go. During match shooting, the urge to go fast maybe the culprit. Maybe during match pressure you are pressing the trigger as soon as your sights are against a "brown" background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC702 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 You are jerking the trigger to get your speed, instead of practicing, practicing, practicing to let the speed build naturally without sacrificing proper trigger technique. We ALL have this problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkdust21 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Put a dummy round randomly in your magazine during practice and you will see just how bad you are pushing the gun down. Best thing to do is practice a match speed and try not to jerk the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yes, trigger control Ben Stoeger's ' white wall' drill will help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseM Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Yes, trigger control Ben Stoeger's ' white wall' drill will help White Wall drill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Essentially you stand in front of a white wall, point your gun at the wall, and practice dry firing without disturbing the sights. Goal is to learn proper trigger control. pistol-training.com/archives/118 or google "wall drill pistol" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gransport Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I like the Dot Drill to help with trigger control. From the draw, 6 shots on a 2" circle at 21 feet. Par time of 5 sec. Must do it 6 times in a row to be successful. I've never been completely successful :-) It does make me use a "soft" trigger finger though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseM Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Essentially you stand in front of a white wall, point your gun at the wall, and practice dry firing without disturbing the sights. Goal is to learn proper trigger control. pistol-training.com/archives/118 or google "wall drill pistol" Do you reset the trigger every time? Is the goal just to get proper sight alignment? I like the Dot Drill to help with trigger control. From the draw, 6 shots on a 2" circle at 21 feet. Par time of 5 sec. Must do it 6 times in a row to be successful. I've never been completely successful :-) It does make me use a "soft" trigger finger though. I can see this being useful. Adding the time element will help with my problem of doing it at speed. Soft trigger finger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gransport Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Soft trigger finger.....meaning not jerking the trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCOShooter Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Another issue that you could be having is when you are facing pressure, you are tensing up. This can cause you to pull you shots low and off target. Try to stay relaxed and loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 You reset the trigger every time. The goal is to learn to break the trigger without moving the sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMeix Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Another possibility is that you're losing front sight focus as you try to move through the stage. Instead of thinking FSF, you're mind is on the next target. Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) May help to "stage" the trigger which is apply slight pressure to take it up to the break point. Then you pull from there. Helps to focus on trigger pressure. Can help stop yanking it. Edited September 19, 2014 by bountyhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) The white wall drill requires absolutely zero sight movement to call a rep successful - none. There is no time limit either, just practice a perfect trigger press. His next drill is to do the same thing, only from the draw, with a par time limit. Also, be careful about using the trigger staging technique. If your technique is to first remove all the pre travel, then stop or hesitate before completing the trigger pull you will most likely continue to jerk the trigger. If you are going to stage it is best to not ever completely stop once your start pulling the trigger. I had a major issue with this before Ben corrected this. I never stage the trigger now. I may speed up or slow down my trigger pull depending on the target but once I start I continually move the trigger until the gun goes 'bang'. The Dot drill is the best drill around to find out how good (or poor) your trigger mechanics are .... Edited September 19, 2014 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMANROD Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I'm struggling with this problem too! My 1st shots are typically "A's" buy my follow up shots are "C". I have been working the DOT TORTURE DRILL, but need to increase my time working it! I feel that my dry fire drill are solid and I'm putting in the time! I'm constantly looking for drills to improve and work on trigger control! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMANROD Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I'm struggling with this problem too! My 1st shots are typically "A's" but my follow up shots are "C". I have been working the DOT TORTURE DRILL, but need to increase my time working it! I feel that my dry fire drill are solid and I'm putting in the time! I'm constantly looking for drills to improve and work on trigger control! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMANROD Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I'm struggling with this problem too! My 1st shots are typically "A's" but my follow up shots are "C". I have been working the DOT TORTURE DRILL, but need to increase my time working it! I feel that my dry fire drill are solid and I'm putting in the time! I'm constantly looking for drills to improve and work on trigger control! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
os2 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 you may be looking over the sights rather than through the sights, that would result in consistent low shots. Instinctively you would try to get a better picture of the target but you need to learn to shoot and move while looking through the sites not over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 View TGO's video on YouTube for Action Targets. It is a par time drill with increasing number of shots per draw. His view on 'jerking the trigger' is enlightening. His diagnosis of the shot spread is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves_not_here Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I'd say do Bill Drills both at a target and at the berm. Also put in a dummy round somewhere in the six. If you can see your gun go up and down and call all six shots your Alpha Charlie pattern should stop. Worked for me. It's also a lot of fun. DNH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wamcei Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 View TGO's video on YouTube for Action Targets. It is a par time drill with increasing number of shots per draw. His view on 'jerking the trigger' is enlightening. His diagnosis of the shot spread is spot on. TGO? What channel is this? I seem to have the same problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy27al Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 You might not be snatching the trigger, you are probably just being a little rough. Just a little too much on the trigger can be detrimental whereas a full snatch can be a disaster. Work on a perfect pull and check things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 View TGO's video on YouTube for Action Targets. It is a par time drill with increasing number of shots per draw. His view on 'jerking the trigger' is enlightening. His diagnosis of the shot spread is spot on. TGO? What channel is this? I seem to have the same problem I just watched it. Really good info. I'm going to try it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bceglinski Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 very good info need to try the next time at the range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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