collards Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Anyone know anything about the gun Jerry Miculek won the IDPA Nationals BUG match with? I saw one picture that looked like a S&W 640, but can't confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Forget the model. But I think I read somewhere it was a 2.5" or 3" L/K frame Edited December 2, 2013 by alecmc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collards Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Oh, so arguably not really a BUG... Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent #1911 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Oh, so arguably not really a BUG... Thanks! by whos standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Oh, so arguably not really a BUG... Thanks! by whos standard? Not by IDPA's, which is pretty much a hoot. An L frame 3" revolver as a backup? What's the main carry gun, an Edge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I read a few gun writers websites after the S&W IDPA BUG Nats, (who were attending) they mentioned there were quite a few rumblings about re-writing the BUG definition. The rules are vague, which does allow K/L, I guess N frame also with 3" barrels. It also allows 3.8 XDm full length grips and short barrel 2011's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothguy Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) 8.2.6. Back Up gun (BUG) 8.2.6.2.1. Handguns permitted for use in BUG matches must: 8.2.6.2.1.1. Be single action, double action, double action only, or striker fired. 8.2.6.2.1.2. Be either semi-automatic or revolver. 8.2.6.2.1.3. Be a center fire caliber 8.2.6.2.1.4. Barrel length: 8.2.6.2.1.5. Semi-automatic: 3.8” or less. 8.2.6.2.1.6. Revolver: 3” or less. 8.2.6.3. BUG Permitted Modifications (Inclusive list): 8.2.6.3.1. All BUGs - 38 -8.2.6.3.1.1. Storage locks may be disabled or removed. 8.2.6.3.1.2. Magazine disconnects may be disabled or removed. 8.2.6.3.1.3. Lasers that are incorporated into the firearm or sights are legal if they comply with all other division rules and the laser is not activated. 8.2.6.3.2. Revolvers: 8.2.6.3.2.1. Sights may be changed to another notch and post type. 8.2.6.3.2.2. Grips to another style or material that is similar to factory configuration. 8.2.6.3.2.3. Grip tape, skateboard tape, etc. may be used. 8.2.6.3.2.4. Action work to enhance trigger pull as long as safety is maintained. 8.2.6.3.2.5. Bob hammer spur. 8.2.6.3.2.6. Chamfer cylinder. 8.2.6.3.2.7. Custom finishes. 8.2.6.3.3. Semi-Automatics: 8.2.6.3.3.1. Sights may be changed to another notch and post type. 8.2.6.3.3.2. Grips to another style or material that is similar to factory configuration. 8.2.6.3.3.3. Slip-on grip sock and/or grip tape, skateboard tape, etc. 8.2.6.3.3.4. Action work to enhance trigger pull as long as safety is maintained. 8.2.6.3.3.5. Reliability work to enhance feeding and ejection. 8.2.6.3.3.6. Internal accuracy work to include replacement of barrel with one of factory configuration. 8.2.6.3.3.7. Cone style barrels with or without a barrel bushing are permitted. 8.2.6.3.3.8. Custom finishes. 8.2.6.4. BUG Excluded Modifications (Non-Inclusive list): Refer to Non-IDPA-Legal Modifications for ALL Divisions I don't shoot IDPA but the rules don't seem vague. A 3'' barrel L frame fits the requirements. Edited December 2, 2013 by toothguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Looks like I will need to get a Ruger Alaskan for the next bug match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Looks like I will need to get a Ruger Alaskan for the next bug match. Funny, like I said the rules are pretty vague. It needs to be a revolver with a barrel less than 3" or a pistol with a barrel less than 3.8", and it has to be centerfire. I think some of the rules gurus were a little shocked at all the gaming BUG guns. I don't know why, because if it's legal, game away. If had gone I would have taken a 3.8XDm with a full size grip or a S&W 325 down loaded with 185 semi-wad cutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collards Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 Oh, so arguably not really a BUG... Thanks! by whos standard? Yeah sorry, I guess I mean by my standards. Unless I was going into Falluja I probably wouldn't have a K frame strapped to my back on ankle. I do like the premise of the BUG category though. I don't carry my GP100 around with me all the time, my LCR is my carry gun, and its nice to get to practice IDPA with my "true" carry weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnightson Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Jerry's gun was a 3" 686. L frame. I agree, not much of a "bug" to me. But with the rules written as they are.....that's the kind of "back-up-guns" you're going to see at these matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandof Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 BUG rules make IDPA into an equipment race. In no way is an LCP or a J frame (Real BUGs) competive with a k/L frame revolver or a 3.8 auto. I have several autos that fall under the 3.8" limit. Among them are a Glock 36 and a 3" 1911. Both of which shoot about as well as some fullsize pistols. Neither of which have I ever carried as a backup. I'll continue to shoot my P3ATs/PF9/J frames, guns that might actually be used as BUGs. Not to take anything away from Miculek. he likely would have won with a J frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The IDPA brass seems to be shocked when competitors choose legal gear that gives them the best chance to win - versus gear that's probably more common for real life BUG or conceal carry. If they want to solve that, they need to go with something like USPSA's approved production list. Otherwise, competitors are always going to push the envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twowheels Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Locally, I've been shooting a sig 239 in bug. It's legal but not a real world bug. However, after reading the rules, next bug match I'm going to shoot my tuned CZ compact. I can even use my shadow mags downloaded to 5 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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